Crime

[Strikegold]

Are the media only reporting crimes involving ethnic named individuals or is there a problem with imported crime ?

 

[spurious]

This is obvious bait.

You have reason to know there will be many strong, and opposing, opinions on this. If you actually want a debate, ask for my contact details and we can scream down the blower at each other. I'm game, and genuinely interested - for now - to find out what you think.

But if you just want to stir the pot so you have something to report, get fucked.

 

[Strikegold]

You go get fucked. I'm genuinely interested to hear the input of others.

 

[Strikegold]

This is obvious bait.
You have reason to know there will be many strong, and opposing, opinions on this. If you actually want a debate, ask for my contact details and we can scream down the blower at each other. I'm game, and genuinely interested - for now - to find out what you think.
But if you just want to stir the pot so you have something to report, get fucked.

There is no moderator , nobody to report to, it's a free for all.

 

[Strikegold]

My suspicion is, nobody will have the balls to discuss it.

 

[Sneeky]

@Yid You go get fucked too….

S.

 

[spurious]

My suspicion is, nobody will have the balls to discuss it.

Forgive my skepticism. If you can also forgive my sarcasm, and you think I've got the balls, I'm at jrothca@yahoo.com

Keep it the fuck outta here.

 

[Strikegold]

Forgive my skepticism. If you can also forgive my sarcasm, and you think I've got the balls, I'm at jrothca@yahoo.com

Keep it the fuck outta here.

I'm not just interested in one person's opinion, I need a broad spectrum.

 

[Havocc]

The perception that the media disproportionately reports crimes involving individuals with ethnic-sounding names or that there's a specific problem with "imported crime" is a complex and often sensitive issue. To address this, it's important to consider several factors:


1. Media Reporting Bias

• Selective Reporting: Media outlets sometimes selectively report stories that align with particular narratives, which can create a perception that certain groups are more involved in crime than others. This can be due to a variety of reasons, including the desire to attract readers or viewers, or to fit a particular editorial agenda.
• Ethnic Names and Visibility: Crimes involving individuals with ethnic-sounding names may be more visible or receive more attention, either because of societal biases or because they stand out in predominantly non-ethnic contexts. This can lead to a skewed perception of who is committing crimes.
• Stereotyping: Media portrayal can reinforce stereotypes. For example, if a particular ethnic group is repeatedly associated with certain types of crimes, this can influence public perception, regardless of the actual data.

2. Imported Crime

• Crime Statistics: It's important to differentiate between the actual data on crime and how it's reported. In some countries, there are concerns about higher crime rates among certain immigrant populations, but these issues are often complex, involving socio-economic factors, integration challenges, and other societal issues.
• Socio-Economic Context: Immigrants might be overrepresented in crime statistics not because of ethnicity or origin but due to socio-economic factors such as poverty, lack of education, and marginalization. These factors can drive crime rates up in certain groups, independent of their ethnic background.
• Policy and Public Debate: In some cases, discussions about "imported crime" are part of broader debates on immigration policy. Some political groups may emphasize these issues to argue for stricter immigration controls or to stir public concern.

3. Impact of Public Perception

• Fear and Prejudice: The way crime is reported can influence public perception, leading to fear or prejudice against certain groups. This can result in a cycle where the public demands more reporting on crimes involving these groups, reinforcing the perception that they are more prone to criminal activity.
• Political Instrumentalization: The narrative of "imported crime" is sometimes used by political actors to support certain agendas, such as anti-immigration policies. This can amplify the perception that this type of crime is more prevalent than it actually is.

4. Objective Crime Data

• To truly understand the issue, it's essential to look at objective crime data that is broken down by various factors, including ethnicity, socio-economic status, and other relevant variables. This helps to separate perception from reality and understand the root causes of any differences in crime rates.

Conclusion


While media reporting can contribute to the perception that certain ethnic groups are more involved in crime, this is not necessarily reflective of reality. The concept of "imported crime" is often a simplification of more complex socio-economic and integration issues. It's crucial to approach this topic with an understanding of the broader context and to critically evaluate both media reports and the data behind them.

 

[Strikegold]

The perception that the media disproportionately reports crimes involving individuals with ethnic-sounding names or that there's a specific problem with "imported crime" is a complex and often sensitive issue. To address this, it's important to consider several factors:


1. Media Reporting Bias

• Selective Reporting: Media outlets sometimes selectively report stories that align with particular narratives, which can create a perception that certain groups are more involved in crime than others. This can be due to a variety of reasons, including the desire to attract readers or viewers, or to fit a particular editorial agenda.
• Ethnic Names and Visibility: Crimes involving individuals with ethnic-sounding names may be more visible or receive more attention, either because of societal biases or because they stand out in predominantly non-ethnic contexts. This can lead to a skewed perception of who is committing crimes.
• Stereotyping: Media portrayal can reinforce stereotypes. For example, if a particular ethnic group is repeatedly associated with certain types of crimes, this can influence public perception, regardless of the actual data.

2. Imported Crime

• Crime Statistics: It's important to differentiate between the actual data on crime and how it's reported. In some countries, there are concerns about higher crime rates among certain immigrant populations, but these issues are often complex, involving socio-economic factors, integration challenges, and other societal issues.
• Socio-Economic Context: Immigrants might be overrepresented in crime statistics not because of ethnicity or origin but due to socio-economic factors such as poverty, lack of education, and marginalization. These factors can drive crime rates up in certain groups, independent of their ethnic background.
• Policy and Public Debate: In some cases, discussions about "imported crime" are part of broader debates on immigration policy. Some political groups may emphasize these issues to argue for stricter immigration controls or to stir public concern.

3. Impact of Public Perception

• Fear and Prejudice: The way crime is reported can influence public perception, leading to fear or prejudice against certain groups. This can result in a cycle where the public demands more reporting on crimes involving these groups, reinforcing the perception that they are more prone to criminal activity.
• Political Instrumentalization: The narrative of "imported crime" is sometimes used by political actors to support certain agendas, such as anti-immigration policies. This can amplify the perception that this type of crime is more prevalent than it actually is.

4. Objective Crime Data

• To truly understand the issue, it's essential to look at objective crime data that is broken down by various factors, including ethnicity, socio-economic status, and other relevant variables. This helps to separate perception from reality and understand the root causes of any differences in crime rates.

Conclusion


While media reporting can contribute to the perception that certain ethnic groups are more involved in crime, this is not necessarily reflective of reality. The concept of "imported crime" is often a simplification of more complex socio-economic and integration issues. It's crucial to approach this topic with an understanding of the broader context and to critically evaluate both media reports and the data behind them.

I appreciate the reasons behind perception. I'm interested in reality though.

 

[Havocc]

I appreciate the reasons behind perception. I'm interested in reality though.

As the person who started this thread, I would appreciate your opinion on this.

Without revealing too much about my real-world self on the internet. This is a subject I have studied professionally for 30 years to aid my career in private education.

 

[Havocc]

I appreciate the reasons behind perception. I'm interested in reality though.

If you're interested in understanding the reality of whether there's a genuine issue with "imported crime" or if it's primarily a media-driven perception, the best approach is to look at objective crime data and research. Here's how you can explore this:


1. Review Official Crime Statistics

• National and Local Crime Reports: Most countries have national databases or government agencies (like the FBI in the U.S. or the Office for National Statistics in the U.K.) that provide detailed crime statistics. These reports often break down crime by various demographics, including nationality or immigration status.
• Immigrant Crime Rates vs. Native Crime Rates: Look at comparative data between crime rates among immigrant populations versus native-born populations. This will help clarify whether immigrants are committing crimes at higher, lower, or similar rates.

2. Consider Socio-Economic Factors

• Contextualizing Crime: Research often shows that crime rates are influenced more by socio-economic factors (poverty, unemployment, lack of education) than by ethnicity or nationality. Immigrants might appear in crime statistics more often if they face higher levels of economic disadvantage.
• Integration and Assimilation: The degree to which immigrant communities are integrated into society can also impact crime rates. Areas with high social cohesion and support for newcomers often see lower crime rates.

3. Academic Research and Studies

• Criminology Studies: Look for studies from criminologists and sociologists who have analyzed crime trends among immigrant populations. Many studies find that first-generation immigrants often have lower crime rates than native-born citizens, though this can change in subsequent generations.
• Meta-Analyses: Review meta-analyses that aggregate findings from multiple studies. These can provide a broader perspective and help identify overall trends.

4. Compare Across Countries

• International Comparisons: Crime rates among immigrant populations can vary widely depending on the country, reflecting differences in immigration policies, social support systems, and cultural integration. Comparing data from multiple countries can offer insights into whether certain trends are universal or specific to particular regions.

5. Understand the Role of Media and Politics

• Media Analysis: Academic studies on media coverage of crime can reveal whether certain types of crimes or criminals are overrepresented in the news. This can help distinguish between actual crime trends and media-driven perceptions.
• Political Narratives: Consider how political rhetoric around immigration and crime may influence public perception and whether this rhetoric aligns with the data.

6. Legal and Policy Framework

• Law Enforcement Practices: Differences in policing practices, such as profiling or targeted enforcement in certain communities, can also impact crime statistics. Understanding these practices helps clarify whether higher crime rates among certain groups are due to actual behavior or differential treatment by authorities.

Conclusion


To get a clear picture of the reality, it's essential to delve into reliable data sources and research, considering both the direct statistics on crime and the broader social context. While media coverage and public perception can skew the view of "imported crime," the underlying data often tells a more nuanced story.

 

[Strikegold]

What is the agenda of the media ? They are owned by some very wealthy and elite individuals . What is their goal ?

 

[Strikegold]

As the person who started this thread, I would appreciate your opinion on this.

Without revealing too much about my real-world self on the internet. This is a subject I have studied professionally for 30 years to aid my career in private education.

That's very interesting and reassuring to have such knowledge on board.
My own opinion is probably influenced by perception. I question that perception but it's hard to ignore.

 

[Havocc]

What is the agenda of the media ? They are owned by some very wealthy and elite individuals . What is their goal ?

The agenda of the media, particularly those owned by wealthy and elite individuals or corporations, can be complex and multifaceted. Media organizations have different goals, which can vary based on their ownership, market position, and the specific circumstances of their operation. Here’s a breakdown of some key factors that might shape their agenda:


1. Profit Motive

• Revenue Generation: The primary goal for many media companies is to generate profit. This can influence content in several ways:
  • Attracting Viewers/Readers: Media outlets often prioritize stories that attract large audiences, which can lead to sensationalism or a focus on emotionally charged issues like crime, controversy, or scandal.
  • Advertising Revenue: Media companies rely heavily on advertising revenue, which is tied to their ability to attract and retain an audience. This can drive the media to focus on content that appeals to specific demographics or keeps people engaged, sometimes at the expense of in-depth reporting or balanced perspectives.

2. Political Influence

• Shaping Public Opinion: Media owned by wealthy individuals or corporations might reflect the political views or interests of their owners. This can manifest in the promotion of certain political candidates, policies, or ideologies that align with the owner's beliefs or business interests.
• Advocating for Policies: Some media outlets may push for policies that benefit the economic or political interests of their owners, such as deregulation, tax cuts for the wealthy, or other business-friendly policies.

3. Ideological Agenda

• Promoting Ideology: Beyond specific political goals, media outlets can promote broader ideological frameworks, such as neoliberalism, conservatism, liberalism, or progressivism. The content might be curated to align with these ideologies, influencing how issues are framed and which topics are covered.
• Cultural Influence: Media plays a significant role in shaping cultural norms and values. This could involve promoting certain lifestyles, consumer behaviors, or social attitudes that align with the preferences of the elite.

4. Maintaining Power Structures

• Status Quo Preservation: Media owned by elite individuals may have an interest in maintaining existing power structures that benefit them. This could mean downplaying or ignoring issues like income inequality, corporate malfeasance, or systemic injustices that challenge their interests.
• Distraction and Entertainment: Media can serve to distract the public from critical issues by focusing on entertainment, celebrity culture, and less substantive news, thereby preventing public scrutiny of the actions of the powerful.

5. Gatekeeping Information

• Control Over Information: Ownership of media outlets allows elites to control what information reaches the public. This can involve setting the agenda by choosing which stories are covered and how they are presented, effectively shaping public discourse.
• Limiting Dissent: Some media outlets may downplay or marginalize dissenting voices, particularly those that challenge the interests of their owners or the elite class more broadly.

6. Global Influence

• Soft Power: For media conglomerates with global reach, the ability to influence public opinion and political outcomes in other countries can be a form of soft power. This can serve the strategic interests of the owners, whether through direct influence or by shaping global narratives in ways that benefit their business or political goals.

Conclusion


While the media's agenda can be influenced by a variety of factors, including profit motives, political interests, ideological goals, and the preservation of power structures, it is not monolithic. Different media outlets, even those owned by wealthy elites, can have different approaches and priorities. However, understanding these potential influences can help viewers and readers critically assess the information they consume and recognize the underlying interests that may be shaping it.

 

[Strikegold]

Yesterday I reported an incident of dangerous driving. It was extremely aggressive and irresponsible. A car overtook me at speed on the M6, I was travelling at 70 mph in the middle lane. The car came past me as if I was stood still. It zoomed up behind a car in his lane and had to brake hard, he then swerved into the middle lane to try and undertake the car in front of him, the car he was attempting to undertake started to pull over thus blocking his manoeuvre ( not sure of that was intentional ) The speeding car swerved again into the third lane to overtake after braking hard to avoid collision.
I asked my wife to write down both reg numbers of the perp and witness.
The traffic bunched up and slowed in the third lane more quickly than the middle lane so I drew up alongside the perp, he was black and on his mobile phone. I reported the incident to the police and gave both reg numbers. The police knew exactly where I was by my phone location. This is a common occurrence now, over aggressive driving and speeding. The other day an Asian guy gave me the finger because I objected to being undertaken and sounded my horn to let him know it was illegal.

 

[Havocc]

Road rage is a complex behavior influenced by individual personality traits, situational stress, cultural norms, and demographic factors. There is no clear evidence to suggest that any specific ethnic group or immigrant population is inherently more likely to commit road rage. Instead, it is more productive to look at factors like stress, aggression, and driving conditions when considering the causes of road rage.

Kudos for reporting it, we all need safer roads. I used to drive the M25 and M1 on a regular basis and have seen some horrifIc incidents.

 

[Strikegold]

Are the media generally of good intention. Do they have the well being of the country and it's population at heart ?

 

[Strikegold]

Road rage is a complex behavior influenced by individual personality traits, situational stress, cultural norms, and demographic factors. There is no clear evidence to suggest that any specific ethnic group or immigrant population is inherently more likely to commit road rage. Instead, it is more productive to look at factors like stress, aggression, and driving conditions when considering the causes of road rage.

Kudos for reporting it, we all need safer roads. I used to drive the M25 and M1 on a regular basis and have seen some horrifIc incidents.

It wasn't road rage, it was blatant law breaking and life endangering behaviour. I am going to invest in a dash cam to download footage straight to the police app.

 

[Havocc]

Are the media generally of good intention. Do they have the well being of the country and it's population at heart ?

While many media organizations and journalists are motivated by a genuine desire to inform the public and contribute to the well-being of society, the landscape is complicated by commercial pressures, political influences, and the challenges of maintaining journalistic integrity in a competitive environment. The extent to which a media outlet prioritizes the public good can vary significantly depending on its ownership, mission, and operational context. As consumers of media, it’s important to critically evaluate the sources of our information and be aware of the various factors that may shape the news we receive.

 

[Strikegold]

While many media organizations and journalists are motivated by a genuine desire to inform the public and contribute to the well-being of society, the landscape is complicated by commercial pressures, political influences, and the challenges of maintaining journalistic integrity in a competitive environment. The extent to which a media outlet prioritizes the public good can vary significantly depending on its ownership, mission, and operational context. As consumers of media, it’s important to critically evaluate the sources of our information and be aware of the various factors that may shape the news we receive.

I get that. I would hope the media are well intentioned and want good for our country. That said, the potential agenda if any could be a positive one.

 

[Havocc]

I get that. I would hope the media are well intentioned and want good for our country. That said, the potential agenda if any could be a positive one.

Absolutely, look at the propaganda used during WW2. Always positive stories about the allies ans their victories in Europe, very rarely did they report on negative incidents.

Kept the people spirits up, especially the wife’s and mothers whose husbands and sons were at war.

 

[Strikegold]

Sky News website today has multiple reports of murders, deaths and a rape with ethnicity a common factor. This excludes a 13 year old boy stabbed to death in the Birmingham area by two other teenagers.
The BBC news website is only covering one of them which involves a Polish family of 4 all killed.

 

[Strikegold]

The day is not over. Another immigrant murder, Polish again, covered by both Sky and BBC.

 

[ClemFandango]

I'm (slightly) paraphrasing a quote I read once but it went something like "If you read about a horrific act of violence and your first thought is about the immigration status or skin colour of the perpetrator and not about the victims or what, if anything, you could do to help the families of the bereaved then you're a cunt.".

 

[Havocc]

I'm (slightly) paraphrasing a quote I read once but it went something like "If you read about a horrific act of violence and your first thought is about the immigration status or skin colour of the perpetrator and not about the victims or what, if anything, you could do to help the families of the bereaved then you're a cunt.".

The quote you're referring to is by Musa Okwonga, and it goes:

"If you read about a horrific act of violence and your first thought is about the immigration status or skin colour of the perpetrator, rather than the victims, you are reading the news for entirely the wrong reasons."

This quote highlights the importance of focusing on the humanity of victims rather than on divisive identity markers of the perpetrator.

Our beloved media will always highlight a persons ethnicity unless the are white and English.

The data on murders in the UK typically does not separate cases based on the nationality or immigration status of the perpetrator, so specific numbers comparing murders caused by immigrants versus British nationals are not generally available. Crime statistics in the UK are usually categorized by broader criteria, such as the type of crime, the age, or the gender of the perpetrator, but not by nationality or immigration status.

However, it's important to note that studies and reports generally indicate that immigrants are no more likely to commit violent crimes, including murder, than the native-born population. In fact, some studies suggest that immigrants are less likely to commit violent crimes than native-born individuals.

 

[Strikegold]

Crime is crime, it doesn't have to be violent. I don't focus on violent crime. I gave an example of a driving incident that I was directly involved in. My wife works in a charity shop and theft is rife, she confronted a black woman who was about to leave without paying for a garment and the perp accused her of being racist among other insults.

 

[Strikegold]

What do prison population figures SUGGEST in relation to quotas of ethnicity ?
I seem to remember the proportion is far higher.
We are importing crime.

 

[Strikegold]

I'm (slightly) paraphrasing a quote I read once but it went something like "If you read about a horrific act of violence and your first thought is about the immigration status or skin colour of the perpetrator and not about the victims or what, if anything, you could do to help the families of the bereaved then you're a cunt.".

If you are scared to talk about it you are a coward.

 

[Strikegold]

The murders per million rate by Blacks is 4 times higher than Whites.
39.7 per million to 8.9.