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    1. skiathospurs

      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      The draw for the Europa League will be Monday 12 noon GMT. We will be seeded as one of the top 4 records from the CL group stages dropping into EL along with the 12 europa league group winners.

      Some teams already through; zenit,apoel,anderlecht,roma,genk,ajax,shaktar,schalke,sparta prague,st etienne,krasnodor,genk,olympiacos,athletic bilbao all from the europa league, and our old foes fiorentina barring a bizarre set of results are coming again! dropping in from the champions league with us are;ludo rugrats,besiktas,that german team with the unspellable name gladbach,rostov,legia warsaw,copenhagen,lyon,

      Teams we cannot face I believe besiktas,copenhagen,lyon the other seeds from CL drop outs and already confirmed as group winners, Ajax, Roma, Schalke, Shakhtar Donetsk, Sparta Praha, Zenit

      ICYMI,we are 22nd in uefa`s coefficient rankings,only Schalke,zenit,shaktar,are above us in the coefficient for teams entering the round of 32,man utd are just above us in the coefficient should they qualify.(liverpool with all that history do not even make the top 25 list :p)

      The final when we get there will be on 24 May 2017 at the solna arena stockholm,sweden (cap 50,653)

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    2. skiathospurs

      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      So far tonight we are joined by PAOK,fiorentina,villareal and Osmanlispor.wow
       
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      Not one team in this competition should pose any real concern. This is ours to win if we have a proper crack at it.
       
    4. Flump

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      Fuck Champions league qualification, I just want to win something. I'd take this over finishing top four all day long. My eyes have seen the glory and all that.
       
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    5. Liam

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      I Wouldn't mind a cheeky away trip to PAOK to be honest. The Mrs has family in Thessaloniki and Veria and her family own a flat near PAOK stadium so would be a reet treat for me.
       
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    6. skiathospurs

      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Group qualifiers for round of 32

      A [​IMG] Fenerbahçe [​IMG] Manchester United
      B [​IMG] APOEL [​IMG] Olympiacos
      C [​IMG] Saint-Étienne [​IMG] Anderlecht
      D [​IMG] Zenit Saint Petersburg [​IMG] AZ
      E [​IMG] Roma [​IMG] Astra Giurgiu
      F [​IMG] Genk [​IMG] Athletic Bilbao
      G [​IMG] Ajax [​IMG] Celta Vigo
      H [​IMG] Shakhtar Donetsk [​IMG] Gent
      I [​IMG] Schalke 04 [​IMG] Krasnodar
      J [​IMG] Fiorentina [​IMG] PAOK
      K [​IMG] Sparta Prague [​IMG] Hapoel Be'er Sheva
      L [​IMG] Osmanlıspor [​IMG] Villarreal

      seeded in round of 32 draw
      G [​IMG] Copenhagen
      2 H [​IMG] Lyon
      3 E [​IMG] Tottenham Hotspur
      4 B [​IMG] Beşiktaş
      Unseeded in round of 32 draw
      5 D [​IMG] Rostov
      6 C [​IMG] Borussia Mönchengladbach
      7 F [​IMG] Legia Warsaw
      8 A [​IMG] Ludogorets Razgrad

      So we can draw any of the unseeded CL drop outs or any of the 2nd place teams except man utd.
      Personally away trips to paok or olympiacos would be nice!!
       
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    7. Don Diaz

      Don Diaz Zero tolerance of Numpty's Founding Member

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      Why don't we all just book tickets to Florence now and relax until February.....??!!
       
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      Wasn't happy with cl campaign but I'm coming around to the el nice away day and who knows from there
       
    9. Don Diaz

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      Anyone hoping for Villarreal and a bit of Roberto Soldado action is going to be disappointed. He's buggered his cruciate and is out for 6 months.....get well soon Roberto.

      Hapoel Be'Sheva who were runners up in Southamptons group would be a proper day out for us Yids eh??
       
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    10. skiathospurs

      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      mate athens or thessaloniki come on over,its around my bday,if doris will let you out ;)
       
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    11. skiathospurs

      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      villarreal or gladbach probably the two hardest on paper? possibly anderlecht again or bilbao next hardest?At least next round we will miss united,roma,ajax,schalke,lyon.Round of 16 will look a bit more interesting if the more well known sides progress.
       
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      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      https://tottenhamonmymind.com/2016/12/10/spurs-wembley-and-fears-for-the-shape-of-things-to-come/
      Spurs, Wembley and Fears For The Shape of Things to Come
      December 10, 2016
      This has been a decent week for Spurs fans. Two thumping victories, one of which was the most one-sided Premier League match ever, statistically at least. The 8 goals were the product of a return to the flowing attacking football that was a feature of last season’s success yet has often eluded us this time around. Rose and especially Walker were excellent, Alli a growing influence playing high, Eriksen too coming into a bit of form. Son’s goal against Swansea was a beauty, but for me it’s Kane who caught the eye. Rejuvenated after a much needed break – his injury could be the best thing that’s happened to Spurs lately – he’s sharp in front of goal, his movement a delight. We’ll put to one side the weakness of both opponents and the bucketload of chances missed on Wednesday to enjoy this after a sticky few weeks. And Toby is back!

      Which leaves us a moment to ponder two enduring controversies, participation in the Europa League and playing at Wembley. It’s said that for every complicated, complex question there is a simple, straightforward answer – that’s completely wrong. But to cut through the blather and froth, let’s stick to the basics. The EL is a cup competition – play to win it. Wembley isn’t right for Spurs but it’s the only option so make the best of it. No, better than that, embrace it as a chance for players to shine and fans to get behind their team.

      Granted the EL group stages appear part of football’s governing bodies’ long-term aim to suck every ounce of joy from this wonderful game. But this is straight knock-out, two legs, home and away, under lights. This is classic European football, as it always was. At Spurs we glory in the UEFA Cup triumphs, especially Anderlecht at home in 84 and the Cup-Winners’ Cup in ’63. Nobody says, ‘The UEFA Cup was only a secondary competition, cups are not a priority on the continent.’ Win something. Trust me, it feels good. Also, it’s time for this team to taste some success as part of their development. There’s nothing like winning something for players and fans alike. We don’t start again until February, by which time we can take stock of what is happening in the league and FA Cup. I’m growing weary of being locked into this commitment to futility where the aim is qualify for a tournament we can’t win so we can qualify again, and so on and so on. The lack of squad depth hampers a tilt at all three but it is not impossible. Better to aim high, did someone say?

      It’s been suggested to me that this is all part of a cunning plan, that all along the EL has been Pochettino’s target. He’s spoken in this week’s press conference of the EL as a target. This is why he’s not played full-strength teams in the CL – we were never going to get too far so go for a more realistic target plus get top four, which generates more income than going to the CL knock-outs but finishing 5th or below. This implies Levy has had a hand on the tiller, mindful of the bill for the new stadium. Overused saying alert, but I tend to go for cock-up not conspiracy as a rule and don’t buy that argument. I do think Poch wants to keep his options open. If we had qualified without too much effort, so be it, but he’ll take the EL. Fact is, he does not prioritise cups but may re-think, in my view should re-think. Any which way, he’ll get to February then make some choices.

      Wembley is partly about the here and now, partly a taste of things to come. The pros and cons of playing there are well-rehearsed but worth restating. For the CL, as I understand there was effectively no alternative. Technically it was possible but given the reduced capacity, lowered still further by UEFA rules for segregation of away fans, press and seats at the front it would have been a push to accommodate all season ticket holders, let alone go to members. The EL would be little different.

      Next season, no one wants us. British football tribalism means sharing in London is impossible. Stratford is nominally public but West Ham made it impossible for that to be considered. If Milton Keynes was ever a realistic possibility, the problems in getting home from Wembley would pale into insignificance compared with a late finish in MK and anyway soon people would complain about playng matches in a small League 1 ground. Let’s get real about this.

      So Spurs fans did what we have always done, from the 1880s and the Southern League onwards. We get there, get in and get behind the team. There’s carping about the support but just take moment. Not our ground, not easy to get to, record attendances for a British club match. 83,406 tickets sold for the Moscow game, and for a dead rubber over 62,000 people turned up. 62,000 Spurs fans. Atmosphere doesn’t come easy but Spurs took it on. Huge kudos to the block in the West corner who sang ‘being a yid’ for most of the second half. Brilliant.

      I think that much of the angst around Wembley is about the future rather than the present. This as yet largely unspoken anxiety is better brought out in the open. Football fans don’t like change. We embrace the familiar, the comfortable. It’s not just about the football, it’s about pre- and post-match routines, who we sit with and where we sit, making the best of the journey. People complain about Wembley travel and rightly so but the Lane is hard to reach for the majority of us yet we do it because it’s worth it and because we’ve worked out a way to deal with it.
      This is the thing. They are our choices, our routines, our decisions. I don’t like queuing at Wembley but 61,000 people getting away from the new Lane will be a neverending nightmare, yet we’ll do it because it’s our nightmare. These are hugely important to every football fan of every club, yet seldom articulated. Wembley takes them all away. Where do you eat, drink and bump into people even if they are not mates. Who do you sit with, and where? I am petitioning the club to put me at least 400 yards away from the bloke who sat in Wembley block 141 row 26 seat 232 or else I am not responsible for my actions. I don’t know Arthur, Steve, Mark, Dennis, Jackie, Derek or Graham outside football but I want to sit with them as I do at Spurs because it’s a great way to watch the team. This lies at the heart of the fan experience and we fear it will disappear, that our choices will taken away from us.
      And underlying that is the growing realisation that as the home games run out, being a Spurs fan will never be the same again. I’m welling up writing this sentence, because it’s the first time I am committing these thoughts to the keyboard and thereby making them public. However good the new ground is, it will never be the same again. Maybe I’m over the top with this, because the club means so much to me, but I’m being honest. We fear those long-term changes too.

      So let’s confront this. Enjoy Wembley, make the best of it. Let’s do what Spurs fans have always done, turn up and get behind the team. It’s part of our supporter DNA. Whether Wembley is full or not is immaterial. Keep prices down and get people in. And I may be a soppy, sentimental old lag, but the day my heart fails to lift at the sight of Wembley Way full of Spurs fans is the day I stop going. That’s not likely to happen for a long, long time.
       
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    13. Liam

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      Yeah that's key ennit mate, if she'll let me out. The plan is if we get a Greek team we can go to see her family with the baby as she'll be on maternity leave and I can watch a game. Her isster is getting married in Thessaloniki in March or April too but I'm not sure when... Would be ideal if they fall around the same time but I'm probably hoping for too much there.
       
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      See how tomorrow goes first mate lol
       
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      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      stag do at PAOK lol
       
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      ajax are gash I wouldn't mind getting them we'd smash them to bits
       
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      Lol. I'm game for that malaka!!!!
       
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      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      maybe koeman can save them :confused:
       
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      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      next round will be played 16 and 23 February.
      fixtures around this are
      11th feb liverpool away
      18th/19th feb possible fa cup 5th round fixture should we progress
      26th feb stoke city home

      The round of 16 will be played 9th and 16th of march
      fixtures around this are
      4th mar everton home
      11th mar palace away or fa cup qtr final
      18th mar southampton home

      Thats quite a favourable set of fixtures IMO which gives some leeway in selection depending on circumstance.

      quarter finals are 13th/20th april
      semi finals are 4th/11th may
       
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      So we got Gent in the first game for in the Europa League. I think I can see why it's easier for CL drop out teams to win this now!
       
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      Very easy to get to....20,000 capacity, they were a distant second in their group behind Shaktar Donetsk. I won't tempt fate, but really things could have been much more difficult than this.
       
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      You going then @Don Diaz? I'm considering it already.... All depends on money/baby/mother of the baby allowing it though.
       
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      I don't know.......it's not really getting me too excited at present - probably hangover from yesterday's result? I might keep my powder dry for the round after which is likely to be a bit tastier? Either way it's about 2 - 3 hours on the train from London, so we can decide in the New Year?
       
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      Read elsewhere that 400 loyalty points might be required. Does that sound right?
       
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      Sorry it's not a better away day for some of the fans but from a purely playing/travel point of view this is an excellent draw.
       
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      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Europa League last-32 draw

      Athletic Bilbao v Apoel

      Legia Warsaw v Ajax

      Anderlecht v Zenit St Petersburgh

      Astra v Genk

      Manchester Utd v Saint-Etienne

      Villarreal v Roma

      Ludogorets v Copenhagen

      Celta Vigo v Shakhtar Donetsk

      Olympiakos v Osmanlispor

      Gent v Tottenham

      Rostov v Sparta Prague

      Krasnador v Fernerbahce

      Borussia Monchengladbach v Fiorentina

      AZ Alkmaar v Lyon

      Hapoel Beer-Sheva v Besiktas

      PAOK v Schalke
       
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      Well it's 20,000 capacity which equals about 975 tickets, so probably yes if there's enough interest? In Monaco in November, there were about an extra 500-600 of us that sat all over the main stand, tickets were €40.00. To be honest the fun bit is the beer and sing song beforehand as well as the game. If i go it's unlikely I'll get an official ticket so I'll sit somewhere neutral.

      here's a bit of other news, there were 'fans' in Monaco that actually supported Swindon Town, and bought tickets with Spurs mates on Stub Hub at £300 a go apparently. I think the club should make any resale tickets invalid. Tickets should go to genuine fans....
       
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      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      stubhub dont do away tickets I am pretty sure.
       
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      Well there were some lads from Swindon who reckon they paid £300 for theirs, but to be fair they were absolutely slaughtered.

      Also met a giant of a Spurs fan must be 6'8" tall, he was also in Basle and seems to go everywhere - Robert Reid. Nice bloke.
       
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      Gent v Spurs on Thur 16/02/17 has been confirmed at 6pm UK time. Home match 8.05pm 23/02/17
       
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