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This is taken from the new Clive Allen autobiography (looks a good read),and this is what Poch has to deal with..I am thinking its a "soft" discord between him and Levy?.All his dialogue has been about painful rebuilds,he not dealing with contracts,signings,outgoings,is that Poch wanting to step back from being a "manager" and wanting to be coach?could be,or
Levy controlling the team more than he should be?,or simply Levynomics wont allow him to sell players not wanted because of money on paper being lost?Remember it took more than 2 years to sell an unwanted Janssen,and Njie,clearly wanyama is unwanted,rose,aurier too,because of the shortness of their time left jan,toby and eriksen,I think poch wants to move forward with the team for next year,maybe that is him being short-sighted and not utilising players here and now.
I havent lost faith in him but if we dont see a reaction from the team the next month and he doesnt react with painful surgery to the starting sides,I will deeply question why we are meandering along.If a couple of big name examples are culled,well it worked in his first year,skipp,parrott,tanganga cant do worse than the team did at brighton?if it is going to be a painful rebuild then lets not tread water lets get on with it.
I wouldnt careless if wanyama and aurier never make the squad again,harsh on them,danny rose?well he has been awful for us and england,dier? these are the prime suspects for me in a dressing room division.I think jan and toby are too wiley to be drawn into club politics and the eriksen saga needs to end with him either getting back into the mood or sitting on his arse for 3 months til january.
Sorry but that’s nonsense, Liverpool away is the hardest game of the season we lost 2-1 and hit the bar when it could have been 2-0. Ok we all have different team selections but the bloke has delivered our best football consistently for over 5 years.
He isnt at the moment and consistently playing players who shouldnt be playingSorry but that’s nonsense, Liverpool away is the hardest game of the season we lost 2-1 and hit the bar when it could have been 2-0. Ok we all have different team selections but the bloke has delivered our best football consistently for over 5 years.
Yeah, but that's just it. You can't make decisions based purely on the moment. Big picture is that the club has consistently overperformed under him. He's surely at the very least earned the chance to get it turned around.He isnt at the moment and consistently playing players who shouldnt be playing
But who would be his replacement? I can't think of anyone who could hit the ground running and turn our current squad into top bananas. I agree that it's all a bit pony at the moment, but I know, cos I have seen with my own peepers some extremely good footy under Mr P and like individual players, teams go through pony-patches. I am hoping that this is just a blip. Get a decent win on Sunday then the next 6 PL games are all very winnable, but if we lo...... Nah, not happening.
I saw a comment today quite pertinent to whats going on.End of the 60s Bill Nic dismantled the team and immediate success didnt come,yes fans would have grumbled in the pub,but there wasnt a flash mob tidal wave of #BillNicOut.We went on to win several other trophies,win in europe again,but in this age his time would probably have been up.Yeah, but that's just it. You can't make decisions based purely on the moment. Big picture is that the club has consistently overperformed under him. He's surely at the very least earned the chance to get it turned around.
Hes not going to tho with his continued persistence in playing players who dont deserve to playYeah, but that's just it. You can't make decisions based purely on the moment. Big picture is that the club has consistently overperformed under him. He's surely at the very least earned the chance to get it turned around.
I am not one for the gaffer's sacking but I am starting to wonder about team selection and why certain players are/are not getting games:Lets just hope hes on bayerns shortlist
Eriksens performance...thats enough for me to say manager has to go...he played for 101 mins and ndombele was substitutedI am not one for the gaffer's sacking but I am starting to wonder about team selection and why certain players are/are not getting games:
1) Eriksen - completely gone as a footballer and it is more than him wanting out as far as I can tell. He was never quick but looks even slower than in previous years. His first touch is diabolical at present and he is ponderous on the ball which means he is being dispossessed frequently. An absolute liability and does not deserve a spot in the team.
2) Moura - should only be playing when we are set up to counter-attack. I like him and admire his endeavor but he is a "horses for courses" player who only thrives when he has space to run into. Against Everton today he was a non-entity.
3) Aurier - played well enough today but surely KWP is a better bet? Surely.
4) Parrott - I know he is a baby but at some point Pochettino will have to bite the bullet and throw him into it. The kid is a natural striker and with Kane out a straight swap was called for, not a cobbled together front three, two of whom are either lacking game time or out of form.
I know that Pochettino is big on showing faith to his established players but there are guys in this team right now who simply should not be there. GLC has to come in for Eriksen now. There really is nothing to be gained by persevering with the Dane. And we need to find a way to give Sissoko a break. The guy will run out of petrol soon given his workload and effort.
If you stick a player out to pasture he only has value to a side that want him. If you let him tain with the reserves you highlight his bad attitude, mental fragility and his willingness to vote with his feet. In essence his value drops and your prized asset becomes near worthless.Poch wasn't my first choice back in 2014.
But he quickly won me over.
He laid down the law: it was a meritocracy. You earned your playing time.
He was willing to cut out the rot even though some were established players.
You played because you bought into the system / philosophy.
He brought in the youngsters who were eager to play for the shirt.
His high tempo, high pressing, somewhat flamboyant & fluid style of play brought back a hint of the glory days.
It made you really proud of being a Spurs fan if you get what I mean. Opposition fans were complementary. Even envious.
It was also an organic build as opposed to investing billions in order to vacuum up all the top players.
But where has it all gone?
Where's that beautiful play? It has disappeared for most of 2019.
Something is terribly amiss. Poch had alluded to it for some time.
Talking about the new chapter. The refreshing of the team.
Why didn't it happen?
Did Levy let him down by not getting rid of players & thus not having the cash to bring others in?
Player's are now willing to run down their contracts &/or wanting to leave.
If they are unwilling to commit to the club, it is easy to wonder "why are they here?" Or "why are they even playing?".
This is what I don't understand. It's perplexing that these players are still being chosen. Even if their form hadn't dipped, they shouldn't be playing. But they are.
Why doesn't Poch banish them like in the past?
If that was / is his MO or philosophy, he's no longer adhering to it.
There's definitely more to it but to most of us on the outside looking in, it's not that evident. The poor form is but the reasoning behind it isn't.
It's this disconnect in Poch's decisions that leave me wondering if he's done here.
Yep agree with all of that. Your point about the sideways swipe is an interesting one, I wonder if Poch AND the squad are in on it together? Maybe the whole playing staff have had enough of Levy?! Who knows, we can all see something is very wrong at the moment and I doubt it's going to get better any time soon.If you stick a player out to pasture he only has value to a side that want him. If you let him tain with the reserves you highlight his bad attitude, mental fragility and his willingness to vote with his feet. In essence his value drops and your prized asset becomes near worthless.
I can only assume 1 of 2 things:
A) He is protecting Levys/the clubs investments by keeping these players in the picture, in the shop window so that some value can be gained from their sale. He may not want to do this he may be being told to do this. Either way it could have credence.
B) He genuinely believes that these players, regardless of their current form offer more to the side than any of the replacement players we have in the squad. This is his prerogative and he is showing belief in those players who propelled us to great things over the last 5 years. It could also be a sideways swipe at Levy for not getting the players he wanted in the squad, when he wanted them. Continuing to shelve the meager offerings and afford them bit part roles and continuing with his established, trusted players could be his way of saying fuck you.
I dont know in all honesty but he cant perform miracles anymore and we shouldn't expect him to.
I think loosing our chief scout may have been a much bigger blow than any of us first thought. This fella started a pipeline of serious talent and that pipeline has dried up now.
Poch is a great manager, a great motivator, a reasonable tactician but he cant keep over performing with minimal resources. Yes weve spent a few quid in the summer, but it was 3 transfer windows too late. Thise players if brought last year would probably have bedded in by now and been performing much better and more consistent than they curently are.
Weve had a fucking great time of late and you have to remember weve consistently done it on a shoe string while the other clubs around us spent billions. Maybe we cant continue with that model for various reasons and have to find new methods.
Whatever it is I think Poch deserves some time to implement a new project, if he wants to. The new project may fail or fall short of the last great one, but he has earned his chance by delivering some amazing times to be a yid.
I think those calling for his head need to remember how shit it was before he came. Yes we had glimmers under Arry but it was very hit and miss and very very Spursy at times. Before that I try not think about, becuse frankly it was embarrassing in comparison to what we are now.
Not sure I agree with that and thinking on my comments, surely Poch could just come out and say it? Or take the Madrid/Utd job (if they're actually on the table) and say fuck you from afar with shit loads if cash.Yep agree with all of that. Your point about the sideways swipe is an interesting one, I wonder if Poch AND the squad are in on it together? Maybe the whole playing staff have had enough of Levy?! Who knows, we can all see something is very wrong at the moment and I doubt it's going to get better any time soon.
Poch isnt kicking the ball... what he did before with the players he could probably do again.@Yid you make some interesting & plausible points.
But this has been going on for the better part of 10 months & it hasn't got any better.
Someone pointed out a stat.
In the 23 PL games before Feb 2019, we only didn't win 6 times.
In the 23 PL games since, we have only won 6 times.
That's a significant swing. Do you see things getting better under Poch?
It hurts me to say it, but I'm doubting it now.