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    Discussion in 'General Football' started by Dorset, Nov 3, 2016.

    1. Dorset

      Dorset The Voice Of Reason Founding Member

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      WTF is the deal with the Rememberance day poppy? FIFA getting all uppity about England and Scotland breaking their rules is so farking ironic it makes me laugh. Personally I don't wesr a poppy for several reasons, most of my reasons have fuck all to do with you so don't ask me all right? The main reason is that I don't feel the need to advertise my charitable donations, if in fact I have actually made any, you don't know, they don't know and no fucker needs to know, OK?

      I think the British Legion do a good job for ex-servicemen who, whatever your political views are, I am sure you will agree deserve support, if I disagreed with any past military actions, which again is fuck all to do with you, I would blame the politicians who never get blown to bits, not the servicemen who do. There is an argument that the poppy stuff only remembers British servicemen and all victims of war should be remembered, but surely that is down to the individual? The first World War was a terrible, useless war, there was no Hitler needing to be stopped like in the replay a few years later. It should be remembered so that a political, nationalistic war like this never happens again, luckilly we are all buddies in Europe these days and that olden-days 20th Century isolationism and nationalistic xenophobia is a thing of the past -oh hang on a minute, the stupid cunts have fucked that up innit?

      This poppy bollocks is new. England footy players never used to wear poppies and I suspect that most of the wearers will display their poppies for reasons that have fuck all to do with rememberance. FIFA talking about rule breaking is taking the piss, the whole thing has been blown out of proportion, I don't give a fuck about it really.... so why did I waste my time posting this? Fucked if I know
       
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    2. skiathospurs

      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Not the slightest arsed about the issue this match,wasnt a problem last year or the 100 years before.More popularist,jingoist media bashing of anything not empire.
      Dont think people inclined to remember the fallen in their own way need to be led by the media,FA or clinton cards.
      why am i replying?probably to avoid writing about last nights match.
       
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    3. Yid

      Yid Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Fifa pissing their pants about rule breaking is the fucking real story here...

      Cunch or bunts.

      There was a flag waver on question time a few minutes ago wanging on about why he doesn't wear a poppy etc.... Big mouthed shouty halfwit argued that it didn't represent those lost in recent events so wouldn't were it etc. Silly cunt.

      Fucking whopper, who the fuck does he think the British legion is supporting as there is a mere handful of the heroes left who bravely put their lives on the line for our freedom.

      We have to remember because as soon as we forget some daft cunt will think it's a good idea and try that shit again with exactly the same outcome or worse.

      As articulated above the reasons for the conflicts are not relevant to this symbolism or idea of rememberance. The conflicts are faught by brave men and women who deserve to have their sacred ice remembered and honoured.
       
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    4. Basskadet

      Basskadet Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      So FIFA view the poppy as a "political symbol". What do they think our national badges are if not "political symbols"? The 3 Lions is a national identity, which if you are going to argue that a symbol of remberence and respect is political then it is far easier to argue the same of a national identity.

      However, the 3 lions as worn by the English national team is more than just a national identity, it originated in the 12th century from King Richard I where the "Lionheart" carried a banner into battle emblazoned with the image. If that is not a "political symbol" I don't know what is.

      Why do England wear 3 Lions on their shirt?

      And the Scottish national badge is similarly political when you read into its history. Coincidentally it also shows a lion, although this lion is "rampant" and also originates from 12th century heraldry. It was the emblem of Scottish kings from the 12th Century onward, however when King James VI of Scotland inherited the English throne upon the death of Queen Elizabeth I, becoming also King James I of England, he included his Scottish heraldry with the English heraldry. That eventually led to there being an official definition between the two emblems which, since 1707, exists to this day. Given the state of the Union, how can the Scottish Lion surrounded by thistles not be seen as a political symbol?

      Going further, which I believe necessary given the extent FIFA have ventured in order to proclaim the Poppy a "political symbol", the colours worn by the England National Team are white and red to coincide with the cross of St.George, the national flag. The cross of St. George had its origins in the crusades, where it was worn by the infamous Knight Templar. I think I need go no further in arguing that this constitutes a political symbol!! You cannot get more political than the crusades and the Knights of the Temple of Solomon, however if you investigate the actual history of the Cross of St. George and why it is worn by the English, it is ACTUALLY political. In the crusades the colours were worn by both French and English soldiers and whilst there are many stories surrounding their adoption by King Richard I as our national colours from the flag of Genoa, there is little historical evidence beyond the fact he and the English, and many others, did wear the colours on crusade. It is often further claimed that that the Genoese colours were used by the English as we traded with the Mediterranean and our ships enjoyed the protection of Genoa. There is no proof of this either however and, in fact, the history is FAR more political

      It turns out that the English were first recorded using the Red Cross on a white tunic in the 13th Century to proclaim their allegiance with King Edward I at the Battle of Evesham in his war with Simon de Montfort. This war is often referred to as being the origin of Parliament in England! How's that for a political symbol?


      As for the blue and white of Scotland, well, the actual origins of these colours aren't really known and so, on the surface, cannot be deemed political. It may be as simple as one of Scotlands principal natural dyes for fabric comes from woad, which is blue. That is hardly political, is it! HOWEVER, let's get all FIFA. Throughout history the Scottish flag actually had no definitive shade of blue. So long as it was a white diagonal cross (used to represent the X shaped cross on which St.Andrew, the patron Saint of Scotland was crucified) upon A blue, whether it was a sky blue or a navy blue, it was fine.

      When the Union Flag was designed in the 17th Century, they used the blue to represent Scotland and they chose a specific, darker shade of blue (probably because of it being more suitable for Naval use on the seas). After the blue was standardised in the Union Flag, many Scots began manufacturing their flag with a similarly darker blue so that it was in line with the Union Flag but, when they voted on standardising the Scottish national flag, they specifically chose a shade a few grades different to that used in the Union Flag. Is that political? Probably not. Petty? Absolutely. FIFA, themselves beset with pettiness, would probably say it was politically motivated. And besides, if the England National team were not allowed to wear white nor red for it being political, yet the Scots were permitted to play in their national colours, that could absolutely be deemed political.

      So why don't we just play the game with no badges and both teams wearing the same, neutral coloured jersey? That way everybody, especially FIFA, need not worry offending anyone because of politics - and if nobody knows who is who, Scotland may even be able to claim victory too!
       
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    5. Don Diaz

      Don Diaz Zero tolerance of Numpty's Founding Member

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      boo Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      England & Scotland poppy decision leads to Fifa disciplinary action

      "Britain is not the only country that has been suffering from the result of war."

      Yet, this lot puts a world cup in the most racist country on the planet, and if that wasn't enough, they then agree that playing the next world cup would be a good idea to hold it in a country that hits over fifty degrees centigrade during the tournament,

      I say SCREW FIFA!
       
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    7. Yid

      Yid Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Soz but if this governjng body had any respect it would reform itself from top to bottom.

      I'd tell them to fuck themselves.
       
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      Havocc Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Maybe @Basskadet should run for FIFA presidentcy

      Great post. Big fuss about nothing
       
    9. J.spurs

      J.spurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Practically enslaved workers are dying building stadiums in fucking Qatar and this is what they're worried about.
       
    10. Don Diaz

      Don Diaz Zero tolerance of Numpty's Founding Member

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      FIFA is simply a farcical organisation that spends too much time focussing on all the wrong things and needs a complete re vamp from top to bottom to re-align itself with what is important to the footballing world at large. It continues a present to be a joke, wasting time, effort, money and resource on something it should be supporting not chastising and investigating.
       
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    11. Basskadet

      Basskadet Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      The irony is that nobody in the U.K. has ever seen the Poppy as a political symbol. Only FIFA themselves have turned it into a political issue by making such a fuss.

      And maybe we should ban their branding from World Cup games given they're clearly a political symbol. No matter how much they protest they are not, FIFA are more political now than ever
       
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      Thfcire Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      I was going to get involved in this debate but considering we had the century of our Easter rising on our shirts I'll say fuck all
       
    13. Dorset

      Dorset The Voice Of Reason Founding Member

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      You could I suppose say that national flags are political and FIFA could ban them. How about team shirts in national colours, they could really be seen as political.

      The British national anthem and many others are definitely political but I can't see the FIFA piggies removing their snouts from the trough long enough to get uppity about anthems.

      They need to drop trousering all that bribe wedge and shut the fuck up. If people chose to wear poppies then who cares? I don't wear one, I don't sing the British national anthem or any other antem, I don't stand up for it either because ironically I am a republican, not in the nazi states of america sense of course, but I don't support a medieval system of privilege and rank based on birth, so I don't want to pay £350m to renovate the arch-benefits claiming family's house. So by not wearing a poppy I am making a political statement, in that case FIFA should be handing out equal fines to teams that made a political statement by not wearing poppies?

      As the great Karl Marx said 'The class struggle is a poitical struggle and FIFA are a bunch of corrupt cunts'
       

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