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    Pro Evo 17 v FIFA 17

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    1. Basskadet

      Basskadet Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      It's that time of year again where the big footie sims make their grand entrance, and whilst I do question the necessity of a yearly update there do appear to be significant improvements all round.

      Last year I was re-seduced by Pro Evo 16, FIFA 16 proving just too slow and plodding for my taste. In the days of PS2 I was exclusively Pro Evo, but the PS3 versions fell off a cliff compared with their FIFA counterpart. As such, I was thrilled to see PES making a comeback on PS4, but was it sustainable?

      In a word, yes. In a few words, hell f**king yes! This year, as last, I picked up the FIFA 17 demo first and I instantly felt the new FIFA's improvements over 2016's instalment. I'm not sure if it is 'faster' per se, but it felt a little quicker, smoother, but still, for me at least, not enough. When I play FIFA I find its the sort of football where you receive a pass, take a touch, get your head up and play on. That's great if you want to think about every touch you make, but if you play on instinct FIFA never quite feels right to me. I definitely prefer FIFA 17 to 16, but by the end of my demo exhibition match I was ready to play something else. One thing I did notice was how easy it was to score on the normal difficulty compared to last year's FIFA. Shooting has a much more arcadey, dare I say "PES", feel to it and every time I decided just to smash it from almost anywhere inside the opponents half it tested the keeper or flew in the top corner. I also got incredibly frustrated with the controls, particularly on the few occasions FIFA did dare to become a little frantic. I would desperately try to switch players, but the game would select every player BUT the 1 I was trying to control! So annoying when it allows your opponent to walk thru your defence and roll it into the goal! That said, those gripes were rare and, mostly, the game felt slicker than ever.

      The PES 17 demo is a different beast entirely and, when you consider that the game itself has added polish compared with the demo, it feels a real winner (and the reviews seem to agree, with pretty much consistent 9/10-10/10 scores across the board). PES is just so much faster it forces you to play on instinct and, the best bit, the AI is so spot on you often don't even need to look and the computer is making the runs into the areas you put the ball. Sometimes your receiving player gets blocked off by an opponent and your pass goes to no-one, but it feels right and, if you catch the movement of your team out the corner of your eye, you can pick the best pass in a split second, just like the real thing. Whereas FIFA has made it easier to score, PES has gone the other way. Last year's PES was arguably too easy (depending on the difficulty setting) but they've tightened it up and whilst shooting is as crisp as ever, you'll sometimes hit the bar or pull it wide when you had to hit the target and goalies feel much improved also, without making goalscoring impossible.

      Having played both demos again, I'm sold as I was last year. FIFA 17 is a top game but it very much feels like La Liga to PES 17's Premier League. FIFA is a little more slick, but it's still slower, more thoughtful, whilst PES 17 is all guts and glory!

      I think the best thing is that they offer 2 top quality football sims but 2 totally different experiences.

      Both demos are out now and I urge you to give them both a try. If you are used to FIFA then PES's controls may frustrate (unless you play with the "alternative" setting which is much closer) but you adapt fast and, once PES 'clicks' it just feels so natural to play.
       
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    2. Thfcire

      Thfcire Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      I havnt played either for quite awhile(had a few games of Fifa against my daughter because it came with my Xbox 1 last year).i have to say I've always preferred pes because i felt it was more enjoyable experience,another reason I loved it is because of this ...fast forward to 51 min lol
       
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      Don't own either of them. World of Warships is all I do.
       
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      I felt like this should be nuked to discourage a cnut infestation.
       
    5. Basskadet

      Basskadet Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Lol, you have to get PES if you want to play as "Tractor Sazi Tabriz FC"! It's the dream we just would never realise in the real world!
       
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      Dorset The Voice Of Reason Founding Member

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      I don't underpants a word of this thread. Ha ha the stupid spellchecker that Safari has inflected my mac with changed my misspelled word 'understand' to 'underpants' - appropriate.

      I am a grownup so I don't play computer games.
       
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    7. J.spurs

      J.spurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      I am a grownup and I do play FIFA. It's fun, especially to play with my kids. Interesting to hear your opinion of FIFA 17, @Basskadet, as I liked 16 exponentially better than 15.
       
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      Dorset The Voice Of Reason Founding Member

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      Swish went the handbag as it nearly clipped me round the ear'ole..
       
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    9. J.spurs

      J.spurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Nah think of it as more like me owning my affliction...Anyway I use the term "grownup" primarily to describe my ample penis. The rest of me is juvenile.
       
    10. Basskadet

      Basskadet Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      I just refuse to grow up. Frankly, I'd get insulted if anyone were to suggest an inkling of maturity to my persona...

      @J.spurs FIFA17 is a great game but quite different from FIFA16 (much better to be honest as I never warmed to FIFA16). FIFA17 is running on a brand new Frostbite engine, so they've pretty much rebuilt it from the ground up and there's lots of new stuff in there. Funnily enough, FIFA seem to be taking a page out of Pro Evo's book as they've encorporated lots of stuff which PES16 did so well - things like player individuality and physicality (players are much more distinguishable from each other and you can wrestle for possession much more effectively, with stronger players out-muscling weaker ones easily, unlike before when you could out-muscle Marouane Fellaini with little Kieran Trippier!) and the AI and off the ball running is much improved too. As I said though, those FIFA17 selling points were things which PES16 had nailed and which PES 17 takes to a whole new level. Nevertheless, it would be wrong of me to say FIFA17 is trying to 'copy' PES as they put their own spin on those gameplay enhancements and it's very much a FIFA game still, in fact I think it's the best FIFA yet, certainly on this generation of console (which bodes well for next year especially given this was their first attempt at building the game around Frostbite).

      Really not sure about the new single player story mode, that seems a bit gimmicky to me, but you can only play for Man United on the demo and that instantly put me off and I didn't really give it much attention after 3 minutes! I know it's different with the actual game though and you can play for any team, but I don't really get the point of having all the acted cut-scenes, I just wanna play football.

      Set-pieces are pretty cool on the new FIFA and penalties are really different - no longer do you run up and try to just pick a corner and judge your power/timing correctly, now you can change your run up and the type of penalty you take and stuff. I'm a little undecided if they've over-complicated it but I think it could be one of those things which you pick up more gradually over time, and that just gives the game more longevity.

      Actually, I don't really like to buy the same release each season. Initially I bought FIFA15, but last year I was so pleased they did such a good PES game that I ditched FIFA16 (I actually thought it was a weak release anyway and not as good as FIFA15 even!) and went for PES16. I said to myself that rather than having a preference, it's great having 2 worthwhile football games, allowing me to alternate each year and really benefit from the updates (which are obviously far more noticeable every other year than they are annually). Having bought (and still loving) PES16 I always said I'd go FIFA17 this time out, but Konami have thrown a real spanner in the works as PES17 is just so good and all the bits which let PES16 down have been fixed.

      1 thing is I haven't yet played the online games on either FIFA17 or PES17 (I'm not sure you can with the demos anyway) so I've got no clue how either works in that respect. I've heard both games have had a bit of an overhaul in that department, which could be brilliant but can often mean problems too.

      To be honest, having 2 really good footy games is great for variety but it's causing me a bit of a conundrum as I can't decide between the 2 now!
       
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    11. deejbah

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      When I get my switch fixed on my computer I'm going to have a look at both demos. I mostly play career mode and games against my son, so the myriad of people cheating isn't such a big deal.
       
    12. Basskadet

      Basskadet Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Ok, having invested a bit more time with both Demos, PES2017 is clearly the better game IMO.

      I think it's mostly down to EA building the new FIFA on an entirely new engine, whereas Konami have been able to build on what they did before.

      FIFA17 could be a brilliant game, but the AI (one of their big selling points) is just not up to scratch. It's just far too easy and, against the computer, it's very easy to defend, whilst every attack I score from now. It's a bit ridiculous. And, what makes it annoying, is the computer will suddenly score a goal that I can't do anything about! It's not that they've been brilliant in their play, it just feels like the game mechanics are off so that, when your players aren't close enough to the play, there is no way to effect it and, too often, the AI has positioned my players too far away (I guess that's the same reason I score so easily, as the computer's team is all AI and, once you see the space, you just pass the ball into it and you beat the opponent).

      The AI in PES2017, on the other hand, is on a different level. Not only does the AI seem to really understand where to position players in relation to the play, but it genuinely learns the way you are playing and adapts, so you can't just keep doing the same thing on repeat just because it worked once or twice. Adaptive AI is in Konami's sales patter, but after a few games you do actually notice it and you are frequently forced to adapt your game yourself.

      Also, the player runs. Whilst FIFA17 has improved the runs which players make, they're quite robotic. You receive the ball and then 1 or 2 players will make a run in front of you. When you pass it, the player receives it and then 1 or 2 other players will make their runs for you to pass to. In PES players are making movements all the time and, when you make your pass, there are already players making runs before you've received the ball. That means that you can see the run and make an instinctive,1st time pass and create some beautiful, explosive passing moves to cut thru the defence. The passing looks and feels so fluid and organic and, when you score, you really feel like you've created a goal. Likewise, when you concede, you genuinely feel as though the computer has had to beat you, rather than just being totally helpless.

      Right now, PES is definitely feeling like the better game to me. I'm going to keep playing and fiddle with the difficulty settings and tactics and stuff but, in terms of pick-up-and-playability, so far PES17 is winning.

      EDIT: I've had to set the difficulty to "World Class" and play as the mighty Tigres against the likes of Inter Milan for FIFA17 to represent any sort of challenge. Bearing in mind that this is the 1st time I've picked up a FIFA game in probably 2 years+, I'd expect to get challenged by it a little more than that. That said, it's a much better game at a higher difficulty setting, but there are still flaws in the AI. It just doesn't feel as slick as PES this year. Also, what is going on with the player's legs in FIFA? It took me a while to notice but, now I have, it's really bothering me! When you run their legs go all weird!
       
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