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    Discussion in 'General Football' started by Dorset, Oct 17, 2016.

    1. Dorset

      Dorset The Voice Of Reason Founding Member

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      STATZ innit bruv!

      OK, so everyone knows I like stats, but for the most part analysing anything other than the goals scored and the final result if a waste of time. I have read all the so-called clever theories about XG expected goals and various other market beating bollox, surprisingly I understand all that linear regression, variances, deviations, multinomial coefficients and all the other stats stuff, honest I do, I spent many years when I was alive writing statistical software for big corporations, mostly used for tax avoidance, oh well, I was a geek mercenary, coding for money! I laughed when that bloke in the other place tried to teach me how to suck eggs and argued that 'puter algorithms with historical data could 'beat the market and predict the future' - ha, ha, ha, I would have nutted him if we had been having that conversation in a business setting - "Even after studying the historical data of me never having smashed my forehead into your forehead before, you could not predict I would have done that, twice, could you?" - "Twice?" he would have asked and you can guess what happened then eh?

      Using stats to predict a football result is futile, like resistance, that too is futile. All these Distance Travelled, Duels Won and other total bollox, irrelevant measures get right up my fucking nose innit? Possession stats are also not that useful, shots, shots on gaol and all the rest of that malarkey as well.

      "No Dorset!" I hear you cry out. "Surely the possession stats will tell us who was the better side and if we monitor those stats along with the shots on goal as the game progresses we will surely see who will win the game or be ready to win the next one", no way Pedro. Sorry to burst your Johnny Bag, but penetration and contraception are the only measures that tell us anything of value. Sticking you dodger ( ball) into the opponents receptacle or stopping the opponent from penetrating your tender, juicy, moist goal-hole are the only things that matter.

      Looking at just 2 games over the weekend, we see that despite MASSIVE superiority in possession, shots and shots on target both us and Manchester City failed to win, I haven't done a historical study on this yet because I can't really be fucked at the moment, and I KNOW what the answer will be anyway ( *Kiddies if you want to be super powered Statsman when you grow up, don't be a dick like Dorset, NEVER prejudge a study or people will think you are a total cunt like that Dutch bloke )

      Having said all that, I love stats they tell us where we have been, what we have done and how well we have done it, but if someone offers you a way of making money from betting on football matches, unless of course it is me and even then I would have only told you the statistical probability of a Home Win, Away Win or Draw after each minute of the game based on the cumulative events of that game - cool huh? Nah you can't have it, you couldn't handle it!
       
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    2. Don Diaz

      Don Diaz Zero tolerance of Numpty's Founding Member

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      Good piece as ever Dorset, does everyone realise that most human beings have a greater number of arms and legs than the average?

      On the football front you probably only need to look at Leicester's stats from last year, to prove that stats relating to football outcomes are bollox. Always interesting to have a look at though.
       
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      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      The guy you speak of is one of the most plastic I have read,from wanting a refund on his membership cos he didnt follow one simple instruction and didnt get NLD tickets (NEVER REFRESH THE WHEEL OF DOOM,yet next minute claims to be a genius doh!),yet wants us to buy some carlos kickaball for X millions yet wont part with 50quid to be a member,or when he loses what to him was a gamble asks for his stake back,he also said he didnt care about respecting spurs fans who had paid hundreds of pounds following the team to germany,we should just put the patsys out,and he is convinced that bookmakers odds are reality based on fact and nothing to do with covering margins or amounts staked,so here is my stat,that guy is 100% a cunt.

      Other than that I quite like a chuckle at stats,but top 4 odds,stick em up yer arsenal.
       
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      Yes, well said, especially about stats used without context and being posed as a perfect model for providing insight into potential outcomes. I wouldn't use stats in a predictive sense and I would never use them solely to make an analysis of the game and especially not without making a video analysis. Coaches will use them to make a post-match or in match analysis and to make analysis of how players they are scouting might fit into the team but these always have to be combined with a qualitative analysis.
       
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    6. Dorset

      Dorset The Voice Of Reason Founding Member

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      How many times has a team gone 9 games without defeat in the Premiership Dorset? I hear one of the voices in my head ask. Well hold onto your hats matey peeps , I will inform you of the information pertaining to the subject matter that was just raised:

      22 Times in previousness days of long gone olden days of history time in the Premiership has a team played 9 games without loss:

      1 Newcastle United 1995
      2 Nottingham Forest 1995
      3 Nottingham Forest 1996
      4 Manchester United 1997
      5 Arsenal 1998
      6 Aston Villa 1999
      7 Manchester United 2000
      8 Leeds United 2002
      9 Arsenal 2003
      10 Liverpool 2003
      11 Arsenal 2004
      12 Arsenal 2005
      13 Chelsea 2006
      14 Aston Villa 2007
      15 Arsenal 2008
      16 Liverpool 2008
      17 Liverpool 2009
      18 Manchester United 2011
      19 Manchester City 2012
      20 Newcastle United 2012
      21 Manchester City 2013
      22 Chelsea 2015

      Does that sound like a lot to you? I f so then you need to go to BrainSavers and have your bonce tested because if you turn the tables into an upside down arse about face maker you will find 464 occasions where Premiership teams have been beaten in the their first 9, so a big deal it is - OK?
       
    7. Dorset

      Dorset The Voice Of Reason Founding Member

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      .... and another thing! How many teams have only had 4 or less goals put past them in the first 9 games of the Premiership campaign? 15. Yep, just a measly little 15!

      1 Middlesbrough 1996 4
      2 Manchester United 1998 4
      3 Aston Villa 1999 2
      4 Arsenal 1999 4
      5 Chelsea 2000 4
      6 Leeds United 2002 3
      7 Manchester United 2004 3
      8 Chelsea 2005 2
      9 Tottenham Hotspur 2005 4
      10 Chelsea 2006 3
      11 Bolton Wanderers 2007 4
      12 Manchester United 2008 2
      13 Chelsea 2009 4
      14 Chelsea 2011 2
      15 Southampton 2014 3

      Oooh look chums, we were in that list for 2005 and now we are in it again! More juicy stats to follow!
       
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      Liverpool are the ultimate selling club after raking in £384m in transfers with no place for Manchester United in Europe's top 10 despite ditching Angel di Maria for £60m

      Spending totals among Europe’s biggest clubs over the past six years have rocketed, with the threat of Financial Fair Play doing little to deter the richest in their quest for dominance.

      Cristiano Ronaldo’s £80million move to Real Madrid from Manchester United in 2009 was surpassed by Gareth Bale’s £86m transfer to the same club four years later before Paul Pogba took up the crown as the world’s most expensive player last summer.

      Pogba’s £89m switch from Juventus is part of the latest attempt made by United to replicate the success of the Sir Alex Ferguson era, but they are not among those to have recouped the most money through player sales in recent years.

      With the help of a CIES Football Observatory report, Sportsmail can reveal the top 10 clubs from Europe’s top five leagues to have made the most money in transfer sales during the course of the past 14 windows stretching back to January 2010.

      10. CHELSEA (£300M)

      Biggest sale: David Luiz (£50m, Paris Saint-Germain - 2014)

      The first noteworthy departure during this period was winger Yuri Zhirkov, who returned to his native Russia with Anzhi Makhachkala for £12.75m - but that merely scratched the surface of what was to come.

      In 2013, Kevin De Bruyne was sold for £18.7m to Wolfsburg - a fee nearly three times the amount for which he joined - while Juan Mata was offloaded by Jose Mourinho to Manchester United during the 2013-14 January transfer window for £37m.

      The summer of 2014 saw Romelu Lukaku join Everton for £28m, Andre Schurrle join De Bruyne at Wolfsburg for £27m and David Luiz leave for PSG in a £50m move, a club-record sale.

      Ramires (£23.8m to JS Suning), Filipe Luis (£13.8m to Atletico Madrid) and Petr Cech (£10m to Arsenal) freed up more transfer funds as Chelsea prepared to mount a Premier League title defence at the start of last season, while Mohamed Salah's £13m move to Roma was the last sizeable sale.

      9. REAL MADRID (£310M)

      Biggest sale: Angel di Maria (£60m, Manchester United - 2014)

      Real Madrid make the list largely due to the sale of one man in particular, with Angel di Maria's £60m move to Manchester United a British transfer record at the time.

      Di Maria's departure came in the same summer Alvaro Morata was allowed to join Juventus in a £17m deal that would include a buy-back clause.

      But it was not the first summer that Real had opted to make a hefty return on dispensable stars, with Mesut Ozil's £42m sale to Arsenal on transfer deadline day in summer 2013 dividing supporters.

      Gonzalo Higuain's £33m move to Napoli was less surprising, with him playing second fiddle to Karim Benzema and the arrival of Bale, while Jese's £21.5m departure for Paris Saint-Germain last summer had similar undertones.

      8. ROMA (£311m)

      Biggest sale: Erik Lamela (£30m, Tottenham - 2013)

      Erik Lamela’s whopping £30m transfer to Tottenham in the summer of 2013 is the biggest sale made by Roma in the past six years, with Brazil defender Marquinhos joining Paris Saint-Germain in a £23.5m deal the same summer.

      Roma’s defensive options were further depleted by the departure of Medhi Benatia to Bayern Munich for £24m in 2014 while exciting prospect Alessio Romagnoli joined AC Milan in a £21m deal the following summer.

      Gervinho succumbed to the Chinese Super League, joining Hebei China Fortune for £15m in January 2016, while Croatia midfielder Miralem Pjanic could not resist the overtures of Italian champions Juventus in the most recent transfer window as he completed a £27.2m switch to Turin.

      7. TOTTENHAM (£313m)

      Biggest sale: Gareth Bale (£86m, Real Madrid - 2013)

      Tottenham are another side who have struggled to make the most of the money coming in for player assets, with the most notable example being the £110.5m spent under technical director Franco Bladini as the club adjusted to life after Bale.

      The £86m transfer of the Wales winger caused shockwaves around the footballing world, and left Spurs with the unenviable task of trying to find value in the market when clubs knew precisely how much they had sloshing around in their kitty.

      Spurs recouped around half of the £26m spent in signing Roberto Soldado as they opted to cut their losses with the player returning to Valencia in 2015, and freed up more transfer funds this year by selling Andros Townsend, Ryan Mason and Nacer Chadli for a combined £38m.

      Other notable sales in the past six years include Paulinho’s £11.9m to Guangzhou Evergrande and Gylfi Sigurdsson’s £8.5m switch to Swansea, while Luka Modric will have been perfectly placed to help Bale adjust to life in Madrid after his £25m move to Real in 2012.

      6. ATLETICO MADRID (£319m)

      Biggest sale: Radamel Falcao (£51m, Monaco - 2013)

      Atletico Madrid’s status as a selling club has shrunk dramatically since Diego Simeone masterminded their first La Liga title in 18 years in 2014.

      Recouping £319m in transfer fees since 2010, Atletico have managed to assemble a fiercely competitive squad to break up the duopoly of Real Madrid and Barcelona, with players of the right mentality often chosen over reputation.

      Sergio Aguero was sold to Manchester City for £34m in 2011, but the Argentine’s departure was offset by the arrival of Radamel Falcao in the same summer David de Gea joined Manchester United for £17.8million.

      Falcao was sold two summers later to Monaco for a fraction over £50m, with Diego Costa earning a £32m switch to Chelsea after lighting up the Spanish league with 35 goals during the title-winning year.

      Filipe Luis joined Costa in making the move to Stamford Bridge for £17m – although he would return – while the 2015 close season saw a raft of players sold, including Jackson Martinez to China’s Guangzhou Evergrande for £35.7m and Barcelona’s £29m capture of Arda Turan.

      5. PORTO (£324m)

      Biggest sale: James Rodriguez (£38.25m, Monaco - 2013)

      Porto have gone three years without domestic silverware, as Benfica have seized control in each of the past three Primeira Liga seasons, and the club who won the Europa League in 2011 have historically struggled to keep hold of their best players.

      The lure of a big salary at Zenit St Petersburg proved too much for defender Bruno Alves when he was bought for £18.7m in 2010, while striker Hulk followed the same path two years later in a £30.6m switch.

      The Brazilian had been bought to replace the goals scored by Radamel Falcao, who joined Atletico Madrid for £34m in the summer of 2011, while other notable sales include the double departure of James Rodriguez (£38.25m) and Joao Moutinho (£21m), both to Monaco in 2013.

      The pattern of selling to the same club continued a year later, as Eliaquim Mangala (£32m) and Fernando (£13m) were sold to Manchester City, while Jackson Martinez’s £31.5m to Atletico Madrid was the last big name to leave the Estadio Dragao.

      4. BENFICA (£351m)

      Biggest sale: Renato Sanches (£30m, Bayern Munich - 2016)

      The £30m sale of Portuguese teenager Renato Sanches to Bayern Munich following his Euro 2016 exploits kept Benfica highly ranked when it comes to player sales, which has become symptomatic of the Lisbon club.

      The 2010 summer exodus of Angel di Maria to Real Madrid for £28m followed swiftly by Brazilian pair David Luiz and Ramires to Chelsea for a combined fee of over £40m gave the Portuguese giants a transfer war chest.

      But a lack of ambition and struggles to exert themselves on the European stage led to further departures, with Fabio Coentrao heading off to Real Madrid for £25m in 2011, before the club chose to cash in on Axel Witsel the following year after Zenit St Petersburg offered £23m for the Belgian midfielder.

      Nemanja Matic returned to Chelsea under Jose Mourinho in January 2014 for £21.25m, while Lazar Markovic was sold to Liverpool in the summer for £20m around the same time that Jan Oblak was snapped up by Atletico Madrid for £12.6m.

      Rodrigo’s sale in 2015 kept the transfer budget looking healthy, with the Brazilian’s £26.5m departure one of three players to join Valencia, including Andre Gomes (£17.8m) and Joao Cancelo (£13.4m).

      Nicolas Gaitan’s £21.25m move to Atletico Madrid went somewhat under the radar given Sanches’ switch to Bayern, but 2016 marked another summer of turnover at the Estadio da Luz.

      3. JUVENTUS (£352m)

      Biggest sale: Paul Pogba (£89m, Manchester United - 2016)

      Juventus’ place in the top three owes a lot to Pogba’s decision to leave Turin after four seasons, with the France midfielder’s world-record sale accounting for a quarter of the overall transfer income in the past six years.

      Diego’s £13.8m to Wolfsburg at the start of the period in question, Simone Zaza’s £8.5m move to Sassuolo in 2013 and Angelo Ogbonna‘s £9.35m transfer to West Ham the following campaign were all small-fry compared to a deal which saw Pogba’s agent Mino Raiola earn £20m alone.

      Juventus have maintained their position at the top of Serie A, winning the league in the past five seasons despite the frequent changes in personnel, with Arturo Vidal opting to pursue a new challenge when he signed for Bayern Munich for £31.5m in 2015.

      The arrival of Gonzalo Higuain from Napoli is welcome at the Juventus Stadium, given that Real Madrid took up the option to buy back Alvaro Morata for £25m in the summer, while Roberto Pereyra arrived at Watford in the summer for £11m, a club-record fee for the Hornets before Isaac Success’ arrival at Vicarage Road for £12.5m from Granada.

      2. VALENCIA (£360M)

      Biggest sale: Shkodran Mustafi (£34.9m, Arsenal – 2016)

      Valencia have become a selling club in recent seasons owing to off-field financial difficulties, and Los Che’s failure to reach the Champions League group stage last term following the play-off defeat by Monaco has only served to exacerbate their problems.

      A side that is now languishing in the lower reaches of La Liga once brimmed with quality, none more so than in the silky skills of David Silva and David Villa, who were sold in 2010 to Manchester City for £24.4m and Barcelona for £34m respectively.

      The turnover of managers since the club’s Copa Del Rey success in 2008 – Valencia’s last piece of silverware – has done little to persuade players to stay, with the likes of Juan Mata moving for £22.7m to Chelsea in 2011 and Jordi Alba joining Barcelona for £11.9m the following summer.

      Valencia did rather well to pocket £26m for Roberto Soldado in 2013, as Tottenham wasted the vast majority of the Bale money, while Jeremy Mathieu has been similarly ineffectual since joining Barcelona in a £17m deal in 2014.

      After Nicolas Otamendi was transferred to City for an extraordinary £32m in 2015, his defensive partner Shkodran Mustafi followed him out of the Mestalla in a £34.9m switch to Arsenal, with Barcelona clearing up the remaining talent in Andre Gomes (£29.75m) and Paco Alcacer (£25.5m) after the lifting of their transfer embargo.

      1. LIVERPOOL (£384M)

      Biggest sale: Luis Suarez (£75m, Barcelona - 2014)

      Liverpool are the biggest beneficiaries from transfer sales in the past six years, with the Merseyside club having received a staggering £374million for players sold since the start of the decade.

      The period includes Fernando Torres' move to Chelsea in January 2011 for £50m, a fee that is still the biggest spent by a Premier League club during the mid-season transfer window.

      Former manager Kenny Dalglish replaced Torres with Luis Suarez and Andy Carroll for a collective £57.7m and while they experienced contrasting fortunes at Anfield, the pair left for pastures' new for a combined £90m.

      Raul Meireles' sale to Chelsea in the summer of 2011 for £12m kept the coffers full, while Alberto Aquilani returned to Italy the following summer, joining Fiorentina for £7.6m following an unsuccessful spell.

      Jonjo Shelvey and Stewart Downing were sold for a combined £10m to Swansea and West Ham respectively 12 months later, while the likes of Fabio Borini (£8m to Sunderland) and Iago Aspas (£5m to Celta Vigo) are just two of a number of less lucrative sales.

      Raheem Sterling joined Manchester City in July 2015 for £49m while Jurgen Klopp was swift to cut the club's losses on flop Christian Benteke, who was still sold to Crystal Palace for a sizeable £32.5m fee.

      Benteke's departure came after Joe Allen had moved to Stoke in a £13m deal and Jordon Ibe joined Bournemouth for £15m as Klopp made space in his squad, and with the side top of the Premier League, the club are likely to have money to spend should they wish to strengthen in January.

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      ... AND THE BIGGEST SPENDERS

      1. Manchester City £913.5m

      2. Chelsea £777m

      3. Manchester United £750m

      4. Paris Saint-Germain £616m

      5. Barcelona £606m

      6. Liverpool £591m

      7. Real Madrid £575m

      8. Juventus £550m

      9. Roma £477m

      10. Inter Milan £461m

      11. Atletico Madrid £460m

      12. Arsenal £415m

      13. Tottenham £407m

      14. Napoli £390m

      15. Bayern Munich £388m

      16. Monaco £330m

      17. Wolfsburg £315m

      18. Valencia £304m

      19. Borussia Dortmund £303m

      20. AC Milan £300m
       
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      Dorset The Voice Of Reason Founding Member

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      OK I done some pretties on the Goalometer site! There are all sorts of graphs on the Swingometer page, yeah, really, really naff name but that's the way uh huh uh huh, I like it!

      We were talking about how well we doing the other day and i thought it would be useful to see all the PL teams compared against each other after 'n' games so we could see who was using and who was spamming.. So here's a couple of the graphs.

      First - Points by Percentage - The dirty chavs up 121%, the foxes down 45%.

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      Goal Difference is even more extreme!

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      More graphs can be found at:

      The Big Swinging Swingometer Page
       
    10. Don Diaz

      Don Diaz Zero tolerance of Numpty's Founding Member

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      Thanks Dorset....I had a very unscientific glance at the last 10 games thing on the BBC Sport football table page....which showed me, that although the gap has widened between us and the top four, especially to Chelsea at the top, those top teams have not really been playing the other 'top' teams as regularly as we have. Thus and with the assumption that we 'clean up' in 3 out of the next 4 games against Swansea(h) United(a), Hull and Burnley at home, we'll be back on about par with them. Chelsea have Man City away next week for example. Our next 'big' game is revenge on the Chav wankers at home on 4th January. We have Saints away and Watford in between...also both eminently winnable, if we're on form.

      It would be very good and hopefully very achieveable if we're up there fighting at the very top come January.
       
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      Dorset The Voice Of Reason Founding Member

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      Farking blimey! I was having a squizz at some stats and noticed the swing in points between Chelsea and Leicester compared against last year - 62 points, after 25 games.

      Chelsea have 30 more points and Leicester have 32 less. A 62 point swing.

      What a bonkers world, how the fuck can one team be so much better and another so much worse? I think Leicester have a good chance of getting through to the last 8 of the Champions league and I also reckon they have a good chance of being relegated. Wouldn't it be mental if they did a Chelsea and actually won the fucker with a really crap team like the chav bastards did in the 2011/12 season when they stole our place and got poor old Harry sacked?

      No Premier League Champions have been relegated in the season following their title win, the only side to win the premiership and later be relegated were Blackburn Rovers, they won it in 1995 and were dumped out in 1999.
       
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      I'm not reading this until it says Statz.... so it's like a bit cooler and shiz.....!!!!!

      Thanks for the effort tho.
       
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      Dorset The Voice Of Reason Founding Member

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      Some scum stats:

      Surprisingly this is not the baddest season Arsenal have had in the Premier League. They have bagged 51 points or less after 28 games in eight previous seasons in the Premier League, well I never, who'd a thunk it eh? In 7 out of those 8 seasons they managed to get into the top 4, only in pre-Wenger 1996 did they not eat at the top table, only achieving 5th.

      Of course the performance of the other teams has a big influence, they have only been in 6th spot twice previously at this stage of the season, once in 1996 and again in 2006 when they managed to fluke 4th at the end of the season.

      Their goals conceded figure is nearly their worts ever, so close, they have let in 36 goals so far, their baddest of the and was in 2012 when they had given away 39 in the 28 games, but the jammy wotsits still managed to get 3rd, but the other teams must have been pony that season because even after sloppily giving away 39 they were in 4th spot after 28 games.

      Anybody care? No, I thought not.

      The goon show - 28 games into the season stats
       
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      Don Diaz Zero tolerance of Numpty's Founding Member

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      The reason I don't like this is because our media always set up those doing well for a fall. I'm more than happy us being brilliant and flying under the radar, which has been the story for the first 32 games this season.
       
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      How's about this mate...

       
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      Don Diaz Zero tolerance of Numpty's Founding Member

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      But is Poche all that?

      Ps it's sarcasm from a former place where many of us used to reside with Neanderthals and a bunch of wankers
       
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      Yeah I've been meaning to ask what the hell the 'Poche is he all that' line was all about, now it makes sense.

      The man is just perfection, he's got a wonderful head of hair, decent looking fella, he dresses to impress and is a blindingly good manager, I was struggling to figure what it all meant!

      I'm going to find this once great place and have a good nose around.
       
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      Stick a harness on before you go mate, just in case we need to pull you back in.;)
       
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      I'm in mate, remain on standby for extraction!
       
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      Consider it done mate. Be careful
       
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      Pull out for god sake,oh wait...no chance of glory strokes over there.
       
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      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      I swear if he dumps us for them................
       
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      Funny old place that site you refugees emigrated from. Much like where I came from, some interesting views and some, well bordering on the ridiculous. The 'is Poche all that' thread can be answered by one post in that thread..."You've gone full nutter!" The guy that started the thread, who says he's always had doubts over our 'superstar' manager is seriously misguided, he's actually making the point that Poch's remarks earlier in the season about our poor mentality, seem to be some kind of negative and that others would laugh at us and the adverse effect those remarks could potentially have on us, well I think he probably feels a little stupid now and for the record, Poch was absolutely right in everything he said about our lack of a winning mentality.

      A lot of the ridiculous posts are me 20 years ago, is how I would sum it up.
       
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      Don Diaz Zero tolerance of Numpty's Founding Member

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      He's one of a declining core who often spout a heap of continual negative knee jerk shit...in a context of being worldly wise football experts. I think they're mostly trolling and dick measuring wankers, with little pro active support for the club they pretend to follow.
       
    26. Chavhater01

      Chavhater01 Player in Training.

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      I don't mind opposing views, in fact it can be good a thing, especially as it can open people's minds to other ideas by challenging others views and opinions. However you have to hold your hands up and admit when you're wrong, otherwise you just look like a dick.

      If you're only investment in supporting a team is to spout negative thoughts, because the team haven't won every game in a season, then that person is most likely a product of this 'i want everything now' culture that seems to be endemic in the world these days. Or the fella in question, just doesn't like Poch and likely never has and can't now bring himself to praise the guy.
       
    27. skiathospurs

      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Agenda driven a lot of it,they would rather be proved right than say Poch be successful.
       
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    28. conor1

      conor1 Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Have to agree lads. It got to the stage where a lot of it became a bit personal, it wasn't actually about Spurs. I fell into the trap a few times, took my eye off the ball but tbf to the lads on here, and they know who they are, they always had my back
       
    29. Don Diaz

      Don Diaz Zero tolerance of Numpty's Founding Member

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      I don't mind opppsing views either and on several contentious threads as well as some laughable OMT's I spent a good deal of time debating reasonably. In the end I just gave up. They simply aren't worth the time and trouble and ruined what was a brilliant forum. Luckily many if not all are now here.
       
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    30. Dorset

      Dorset The Voice Of Reason Founding Member

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      Luckily I am calm and reasoned and never got 'personal' with any of them, that's why they all loved me so much and still miss me. I would miss me as well so I understand why they are so heartbroken that I am no longer there to be the mature voice of reason they need and to be a role model for them.
       
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