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Dorset

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The recent Paradise Papers have exposed again that rich cunts legally exploit a rigged system to get even richer. I don't suppose we can blame the rich cunts because any of us would do what we were legally allowed to do to earn an extra quid eh? Laws that allow this sort of stuff to go on are fucked and need changing, but that is seriously unlikely under the current regime, cos it's them and their buddies who are trousering the dosh.

It was interesting seeing the reactions to the various folks who have 'optimised' their tax:

Bono: 'Fucking self-righteous hypocritical cunt'
Mrs Browns Boys stars: 'Thieving cunts who should be barred form using the NHS'
Lewis Hamilton: 'Annoying tax thieving cunt'
Lord Ashcroft: 'Not this non-domiciled thief again, how the fuck is he a Lord?'
HM The Queen: Silence, fuck all, not a peep, the chief benefit scrounger can do as she likes, hmmmm.

Apple, Amazon, Google, Starbucks, Facebook...... etc. Imagine if all these companies and the rich cunts named in the paradise papers paid their fair share, then we really would have an extra £350m a week for the NHS not just that made up shit they painted on that bus. HMRC say over and over agin that they make sure everyone pays the tax due under UK laws - ha fcuking ha.
 
skiathospurs

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I bet that mike dean avoids tax,hope he doesnt avoid giving us lots of penalties on saturday at woolwich eh!!;)
 
Flump

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It's the tip of the iceberg, it really is. I imagine HMRC are warned off big businesses to make sure they don't go elsewhere. They're clearly making the most of our liberal business tax arrangements.
 
Finchbee

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Its common practice in all life from duty free to offshore bank accounts! Its not right but unless you properly tighten up laws its going to happen cos people want more money!
 
Don Diaz

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It's the tip of the iceberg, it really is. I imagine HMRC are warned off big businesses to make sure they don't go elsewhere. They're clearly making the most of our liberal business tax arrangements.
The thing is (as I understand it) these big businesses that used to have offices in Ireland and have now moved to places like Jersey, just try and hold the government to ransom by saying they'll close offices down - loss of jobs and loss of those workers tax revenue.

The UK is a big important market for most of these corporations and the PR associated with that course of action would be disastrous. You don't have to buy coffee at Starbucks.....I say call their bluff and make the bastards pay tax. The rest of us do.
 
Flump

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The thing is (as I understand it) these big businesses that used to have offices in Ireland and have now moved to places like Jersey, just try and hold the government to ransom by saying they'll close offices down - loss of jobs and loss of those workers tax revenue.

The UK is a big important market for most of these corporations and the PR associated with that course of action would be disastrous. You don't have to buy coffee at Starbucks.....I say call their bluff and make the bastards pay tax. The rest of us do.
I 100% agree.
 
Yid

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They are just exposing the loopholes we allowed the banks to enjoy for decades.

Banking is our only real industry. We had to sweeten the deal so we got some form of export and got tax for something.

If we tighten them all up and the banks go... we will be double fucked.
 
Dorset

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They are just exposing the loopholes we allowed the banks to enjoy for decades.

Banking is our only real industry. We had to sweeten the deal so we got some form of export and got tax for something.

If we tighten them all up and the banks go... we will be double fucked.
... already going mate, the German banks are moving out and all the other big banks are following them. Good riddance the morons will say, who needs those foreign banks and the massive amount of tax money and jobs they provide the UK? Double fucked would be a really good prognosis for Little England, if we are only double fucked following the mass insanity of the referendum then we will have got off very lightly, double fucked would be a dream result.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-sachs-citi-group-deutsche-bank-a7193686.html
 
Yid

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... already going mate, the German banks are moving out and all the other big banks are following them. Good riddance the morons will say, who needs those foreign banks and the massive amount of tax money and jobs they provide the UK? Double fucked would be a really good prognosis for Little England, if we are only double fucked following the mass insanity of the referendum then we will have got off very lightly, double fucked would be a dream result.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-sachs-citi-group-deutsche-bank-a7193686.html
I know bruv... it seems if we truly want to enjoy the economic power and standards of living we have become accustomed to over the last couple of decades we need to follow the gravy train and take the scraps that are thrown to us. Great Britain has had its day and got too greedy. Looks like Ze Germans are now in prime position to mop up the huge government tax bills from Banking and the common folk there will enjoy the upward curve of a growing economy for the next 50 or so years...

Would I be a Bayern fan??? I suppose you'd have to go somewhere close to Frankfurt as that's where Goldman Sachs just made huge investments in real estate and have a plan to relocate by 2021...

Time is a ticking for me to learn German...
 
Yid

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Soz man, just saw you linked the Sachs stuff... great minds eh...
 
Don Diaz

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It's so fucking blinkered it really pisses me off........and now that we have voted for it, and should be getting on with making the best we possibily can out of a bad situation, we have a weak government that simply doesn't know what to do. There's no direction, no leadership, no intelligence or business and economic sense being employed anywhere. Meanwhile the rest of Europe and indeed the rest of the world, even with morons at the helm in the case of Trump is getting on with things whilst we start slipping behind.

You don't have to be a genius to see this, it's as blindingly obvious as can be....and who do we have to rely on to get us out of this mess, well currently Teresa May and David Davies, but because they don't really care about the country, but do care very much about themselves and their own self aggrandisement very soon it might be Boris Johnson and Michael Gove....phew what a relief..... (NOT)
 
Dorset

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It's so fucking blinkered it really pisses me off........and now that we have voted for it, and should be getting on with making the best we possibily can out of a bad situation, we have a weak government that simply doesn't know what to do. There's no direction, no leadership, no intelligence or business and economic sense being employed anywhere. Meanwhile the rest of Europe and indeed the rest of the world, even with morons at the helm in the case of Trump is getting on with things whilst we start slipping behind.

You don't have to be a genius to see this, it's as blindingly obvious as can be....and who do we have to rely on to get us out of this mess, well currently Teresa May and David Davies, but because they don't really care about the country, but do care very much about themselves and their own self aggrandisement very soon it might be Boris Johnson and Michael Gove....phew what a relief..... (NOT)
The big problem with 'taking back control' is the tossers who are doing that control. I got the right 'ump with Johnson last week, refusing to apologise and using that smarmy politician speak bollocks to say he was sorry if his words were misconstrued. Cunt, they weren't misconstrued, we can all speak English and heard exactly what you said. He does not give a flying fuck about the country, he only switched over to the retard side in the Brexit debate so he could be against Cameron and give himself a shot at being leader. Despicable May proves every single day that she only cares about being in power and her latest sound bite is that 'they are listening', lying cunt. Gove is just a total cunt as everybody knows and that Rees Mogg that they all think is so wonderful is a two-faced fucking hypocrite who will be rolling in money whatever happens. Why in the name of Satan's hairy bollocks would anyone with more than one brain cell think it was a good idea to let those cunts have more control?

The banks are leaving, the EU NHS staff are leaving, the Romanians who pick the fruit are leaving the Poles who do all the work are leaving, the various EU nationals who staff the hotels, bars, restaurants, factories are leaving and the cunts just wave their fucking flags and say 'good riddance'.

Sorry mate, I understand where you are coming from saying we should be making the best of it, but there ain't no best to make. The Tories will fuck everybody in Europe up the arse without lube rather than deal fairly and be seen as weak, they see it as a fight not a discussion. Fucking toerags like Mogg are living in a fantasy world where Britannia rules the waves and we will be so much better off without the rest of the world (the Facist States of America excepted of course). You know I am just a tad left wing in my political beliefs, but a Labour government under Corbyn with that moron Abbot and that slimy disgusting cunt Watson wouldn't do any better. We are fucked whoever is in power. I think a sensible Labour party will emerge in 5 or 10 year or so with someone like Hilary Benn in charge but at the moment - bleeeeah! Maybe there are some sensible Tories, I wouldn't know, I hate the cunts, although Ken Clarke was talking sense the other day, shame he was such a cunt when he was chancellor and could be blamed for many of the problems we face today, but now he has gone all sensible he's too old and too reasonable for the Tories.

Inflation has steadied at 3%, the highest in fucking yonks, phew! Just wait and see what happens to that when the tariffs take hold, the pound falls even lower and the feds lose most of their revenue from the banks and the hard working EU nationals who in every single study that was not done by a fucking facist contribute massively to our economy. Back to the good old 70s, 15% inflation, 3 day weeks, industrial action crippling the country, I remember those good old days and they were shite. The really, really, really funny thing is that the majority of immigrants come from outside the EU, so the xenophobes will still have to put up with those nasty foreigners! That will be nice for them because facists need hatred to survive and if there were no immigrants then they would have to find someone else to persecute.

You make the best of it, I will be fucking off next year, send me a postcard and let me know what happens, oh no, sorry there won't be any postal service will there....... maybe put a message in a bottle and lob it into the sea.
 
Motspur Hotspur

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A read I find quite insightful, better than all the main stream media bollocks anyway. Whether I agree with it all I don't know.

www.ukcolumn.org
 
skiathospurs

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One issue is that countries are now run as companies,so inevitably some or even some areas of some countries (jersey,canary IS,USVI) reduce rates of tax,So people,companies move to these "havens".Fact that even the EU has so many different levels of companies tax makes it almost a failure if CEO`s dont chase as little tax as they can.
In a world by which generally life is judged too much on how much you can collect in your existance,everyone has become all about themselves too much,and it has become morally acceptable that rules can be bent,and if you find a loophole its considered smart.Same principle as cheating in football,you know you`re cheating but you still appeal for a corner thats a goalkick and its because you want to win and therefore you`re the good guy,oh how we wish shearer would punch a ball in the net to win a world cup.

whole world is fucked up,because its all about money and possesions,thats happened in a generation.It will take a sesmic shift in how humanity thinks to change this,because life has become about winning and capitalism teaches that having more,earning more is winning.So when it comes to taxation,a partial answer is indirect taxation VAT,sales tax,tarriffs,general populous cant avoid that.Problem seems to be its mostly service companies that are doing the fiddling,I mean they dont make anything or its not their core business,Ford make cars,ship a car,it arrives in another country,how do they avoid the tax?amazon,facebook,google its like the wild west,laws were never thought of for these corporations that expanded in the last decade,and in reality can base their HQs wherever they please,and declare earnings wherever they like.And the punishment??a soaring share price earning the owners mega billions on top of their mega billions from sales,and being called smart by analysts.

Face it,if you`re not in power you are or are soon to become another worker ant,becasue if you play fair you will get fucked by goverments,corporations,other human beings who will tread on anyone to climb the ladder like any good capitalist is taught.Fucking weirdos the lot,measuring happiness by bank balances and not life.Come the zombie apocolypse,no need for admin,bankers,HR,geeks.Most of em would die from half a day without wifi let alone a few om nom nom walkers chomping on them.
 
Motspur Hotspur

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One issue is that countries are now run as companies,so inevitably some or even some areas of some countries (jersey,canary IS,USVI) reduce rates of tax,So people,companies move to these "havens".Fact that even the EU has so many different levels of companies tax makes it almost a failure if CEO`s dont chase as little tax as they can.
In a world by which generally life is judged too much on how much you can collect in your existance,everyone has become all about themselves too much,and it has become morally acceptable that rules can be bent,and if you find a loophole its considered smart.Same principle as cheating in football,you know you`re cheating but you still appeal for a corner thats a goalkick and its because you want to win and therefore you`re the good guy,oh how we wish shearer would punch a ball in the net to win a world cup.

whole world is fucked up,because its all about money and possesions,thats happened in a generation.It will take a sesmic shift in how humanity thinks to change this,because life has become about winning and capitalism teaches that having more,earning more is winning.So when it comes to taxation,a partial answer is indirect taxation VAT,sales tax,tarriffs,general populous cant avoid that.Problem seems to be its mostly service companies that are doing the fiddling,I mean they dont make anything or its not their core business,Ford make cars,ship a car,it arrives in another country,how do they avoid the tax?amazon,facebook,google its like the wild west,laws were never thought of for these corporations that expanded in the last decade,and in reality can base their HQs wherever they please,and declare earnings wherever they like.And the punishment??a soaring share price earning the owners mega billions on top of their mega billions from sales,and being called smart by analysts.

Face it,if you`re not in power you are or are soon to become another worker ant,becasue if you play fair you will get fucked by goverments,corporations,other human beings who will tread on anyone to climb the ladder like any good capitalist is taught.Fucking weirdos the lot,measuring happiness by bank balances and not life.Come the zombie apocolypse,no need for admin,bankers,HR,geeks.Most of em would die from half a day without wifi let alone a few om nom nom walkers chomping on them.
You are absolutely spot on there, I got fed up with having to earn more and more just to keep pace and so after redundancy and being fortunate enough to cover the mortgage I (and the missus) made the decision to slow down, work less and live more - on less. It's f*cking hard work I can tell you, the worst part is the spending hasn't actually stopped, the schools want 'donations', clubs for the kids, school lunches, you name it every fucker is dipping his hand in the pot - MY pot! What can you do! In the end we'll all be like the movie Demolition Man, with the conformists living the life of riley up top and the rest starving in the sewers. To give in and go back to the 9 - 5 would be a real kick in the nuts, quite perversely my life is far richer for working 6 - 12, struggling with the cost of living and having extra time with the kids! I like to think I am a winner, living the dream!
 

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