US Election WTF???

[Havocc]

When times are hard and people are struggling they always lean towards the right under promises of looking after their own and making people have more money I.e. no more money to the people who were not born here and fear mongering immigration stories.

We are seeing it across the world with countries voting towards the right.

This will go on for a few years until people realise what a dumb fucking idea it was, the the vote swings left.

Always happens this way.

 

[Ted the Yid]

What is it that she's doing? Or not doing?

Good question. I thought she was doing well then I didn't really follow the election and next thing, not doing so well.

 

[spurious]

What is it that she's doing? Or not doing?

Is black woman? Isn't white man?

 

[USspur]

The US needs to deal with Trump and then it needs to ask itself it it's prepared to deal with it's deficiencies like a grown up...

There are no grown ups in the political system over here

 

[Style And Glory]

Good question. I thought she was doing well then I didn't really follow the election and next thing, not doing so well.

That's what I thought so found comfort in that. I'm almost to the point to say "Anyone but that Orange Guy".

 

[BrooklynYid]

What is it that she's doing? Or not doing?

Her campaign is absolutely awful, They are hammering her and Biden on the economy while we are experiencing one of the best economies in our history (yeah, not everyone is benefiting). But nobody knows that because they never talk about. Also, her inability to offer even the simplest policy breaks from Biden is shocking. After saying she'd do things differently, she answers every question about what she'd change with "nothing." I get the sense they felt they had this in the bag and didn't want to rock the boat. They had no idea they were in a street fight, and it might be too late now.

 

[Ted the Yid]

Her campaign is absolutely awful, They are hammering her and Biden on the economy while we are experiencing one of the best economies in our history (yeah, not everyone is benefiting). But nobody knows that because they never talk about. Also, her inability to offer even the simplest policy breaks from Biden is shocking. After saying she'd do things differently, she answers every question about what she'd change with "nothing." I get the sense they felt they had this in the bag and didn't want to rock the boat. They had no idea they were in a street fight, and it might be too late now.

It does seem to be the curse of left orientated political party's that they seem to be shit at winning elections.

 

[spurious]

It does seem to be the curse of left orientated political party's that they seem to be shit at winning elections.

Or maybe because they're not really progressive, but just pretending to be? The Dems have helmed three of the last four administrations, continued to hollow out the economy (that growth undeniably there, but it is not going to the working class),and are explicitly in thrall to the financial industry (remember Hilary telling the banks to calm down, she just needed to tell the proles what they wanted to hear). Okay, they're not openly racist, but being progressive on social issues and regressive on everything else is a sure way to piss off middle-of-the-road voters, who don't want either of those things and know when they're being fed a line. So it's the middle finger (or two over yonder) to the "centrists".

Starmer's no better. In government and all, but won that election with fewer votes than Corbyn, believe it or not.

 

[Yid]

The left need to be a bit more left... Won't happen until we have a reset even that affects America and/or Europe...

Wank, but inevitable.

 

[J.spurs]

The problems we have in the US are too complex and numerous to go into here. A lot of them are faced by all democracies, a lot are unique to our country. But this is a real existential crisis we're facing and it's terrifying how many people in this country--especially in the media--don't seem to understand that.

 

[Ted the Yid]

The problems we have in the US are too complex and numerous to go into here. A lot of them are faced by all democracies, a lot are unique to our country. But this is a real existential crisis we're facing and it's terrifying how many people in this country--especially in the media--don't seem to understand that.

Do you think that outside influences, particularly on social media are playing a part on how the country has been going the last 8 or so years?

 

[J.spurs]

Do you think that outside influences, particularly on social media are playing a part on how the country has been going the last 8 or so years?

In short, yes. I mean, our problems are of our own making--the far-right authoritarian turn of the Republican Party and the rise of Trump being the biggest ones. Our nation, all the way down to local-level politics, is vulnerable to that kind of thing due to both cultural and structural factors. So we don't really have any excuses.

But there's no denying that outside influences have made things worse by muddying the waters with disinformation.

 

[Ted the Yid]

Does anyone remember this? If not then this will be a bit surreal for ya.

 

[J.spurs]

Does anyone remember this? If not then this will be a bit surreal for ya.

I remember this resurfacing during the 2016 election. Very strange. Not as strange as Trump pretending to give the microphone a blow job at a rally last night but still weird.

 

[Style And Glory]

And that ladies & gentlemen is from the potential leader of the most powerful country on Planet Earth.
That mic hand / blow job alone should encourage & sway a few more million votes from American civilians his way.

The state of our world (sigh).

 

[Ted the Yid]

Whomever wins, it looks like its going to be tight, be dragged out and that in itself is a big problem in the current climate.

 

[USspur]

Nothing like election day to show us how childish the "leaders of the free world" are

Get your popcorn out because the fireworks will be fun to watch. Don't mind us poor old saps who have to live with the results over here, though.

 

[J.spurs]

Nothing like election day to show us how childish the "leaders of the free world" are

Get your popcorn out because the fireworks will be fun to watch. Don't mind us poor old saps who have to live with the results over here, though.

I don’t think democracy teetering on the edge of the abyss is all that much fun if I’m being honest.

 

[Yid]

Nothing like election day to show us how childish the "leaders of the free world" are

Get your popcorn out because the fireworks will be fun to watch. Don't mind us poor old saps who have to live with the results over here, though.

Honestly bro, it should not be this close... As long as you don't end up with a dictatorial dynasty you'll probably get through this...

Biggest challenge your democracy has faced thus far and if you lot don't learn from the current situation, understanding how and why you got here and transform the politics to represent your modern lived experience, then we'll see you here again in 4 years with another Trump looking to solidify their grip on your country and it's power...

Tough times ahead, but hopefully spearheaded by hope and the first Woman President on the US.

 

[Ted the Yid]

So, when is the earliest time that we may see signs of a winner? I know it's likely to be rather dragged out and could go on for days (or weeks!),but which swing states usually gets called first and outside the 7 swing states, are their any other states that may give surprise indications if things are not as close?

Even Trumps mate from the UK, Nigel Farage (who is hanging out at Trumps house on election night) has told Donald not to dispute the election if he loses.

 

[spurious]

 

[J.spurs]

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Yes, but.

 

[J.spurs]

So, when is the earliest time that we may see signs of a winner? I know it's likely to be rather dragged out and could go on for days (or weeks!),but which swing states usually gets called first and outside the 7 swing states, are their any other states that may give surprise indications if things are not as close?

Even Trumps mate from the UK, Nigel Farage (who is hanging out at Trumps house on election night) has told Donald not to dispute the election if he loses.

It's likely to be so close in the swing states, which include my home state of North Carolina, that none of them will be called the night of the election.

If North Carolina or Georgia goes for Harris, that would be a very good sign for her. I personally think that she has a very good chance of winning NC, because there is an absolutely ludicrous Republican candidate for state governor here that has the potential to drag Trump down with him. Some are saying Iowa might be a surprise swing state, as Harris had very good polls there last week. But other than that, it's only really the usual states that are tightly contested: Penn, NC, GA, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada and Arizona.

All this is to say it's possible we'll have an inkling of which general direction things are going by very late evening, but nothing close to certainty. One issue is that the places with the strongest Democratic support--urban areas--are the places where the votes often take longest to count.

Whatever happens, Trump will likely declare victory at around 1 AM east coast time and unleash the mobs and lawyers in an effort to subvert the process. I'm sure you lot saw the "stop the count" protests at the counting centers in Arizona last election.

 

[Ted the Yid]

It's likely to be so close in the swing states, which include my home state of North Carolina, that none of them will be called the night of the election.

If North Carolina or Georgia goes for Harris, that would be a very good sign for her. I personally think that she has a very good chance of winning NC, because there is an absolutely ludicrous Republican candidate for state governor here that has the potential to drag Trump down with him. Some are saying Iowa might be a surprise swing state, as Harris had very good polls there last week. But other than that, it's only really the usual states that are tightly contested: Penn, NC, GA, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada and Arizona.

All this is to say it's possible we'll have an inkling of which general direction things are going by very late evening, but nothing close to certainty. One issue is that the places with the strongest Democratic support--urban areas--are the places where the votes often take longest to count.

Whatever happens, Trump will likely declare victory at around 1 AM east coast time and unleash the mobs and lawyers in an effort to subvert the process. I'm sure you lot saw the "stop the count" protests at the counting centers in Arizona last election.

...and when he does that, if it prevents further vote counting, then the Supreme Court gets to decide the legality of whom wins I assume (like in 2000 Bush v Gore, Florida). Decided by 6 Republicans and 3 Democrats.

I was looking at some historical voting patterns from previous elections and it is interesting how Reagan won 49 out of 50 states, but recently all but 7 states are fairly predictable.

 

[J.spurs]

...and when he does that, if it prevents further vote counting, then the Supreme Court gets to decide the legality of whom wins I assume (like in 2000 Bush v Gore, Florida). Decided by 6 Republicans and 3 Democrats.

I was looking at some historical voting patterns from previous elections and it is interesting how Reagan won 49 out of 50 states, but recently all but 7 states are fairly predictable.

That is his plan--undermining the legitimacy of the election. Of course, the more decisive the victory (even in electoral votes) the less chance that has of actually working. As for changes in voting patterns, it's really down to demographics--basically, younger, more educated, and diverse communities vote Democrat. There are now more of these communities in historically very conservative areas.

 

[Style And Glory]

@J.spurs & @USspur I hope sanity prevails for your sake's (& the rest of the world's).

 

[BrooklynYid]

Kamala should just declare victory this afternoon. No need to count all those pesky votes. He would have an absolute meltdown. Would be worth it for the entertainment value alone.

 

[Ted the Yid]

My gut feeling is that Harris will win this, despite the bookies over here saying otherwise and the polls showing it to be neck and neck. I also think it might be declared far sooner than folk are anticipating.

Probably wishful thinking, but I am hopeful.

 

[J.spurs]

My gut feeling is that Harris will win this, despite the bookies over here saying otherwise and the polls showing it to be neck and neck. I also think it might be declared far sooner than folk are anticipating.

Probably wishful thinking, but I am hopeful.

Me too. But as Tottenham fans we know all about what hope does I suppose…

 

[Yid]

That is his plan--undermining the legitimacy of the election. Of course, the more decisive the victory (even in electoral votes) the less chance that has of actually working. As for changes in voting patterns, it's really down to demographics--basically, younger, more educated, and diverse communities vote Democrat. There are now more of these communities in historically very conservative areas.

Mate, I know you've spoken truth... But this type of shit happens in the Congo. It happens in Botswana. It happens in Lao.

Like I said up the page, your democracy is dangling by a thread and unless someone grips it hard and makes some decisions to reinstate it's integrity, you will lose it eventually.

At that point the world changes and a new arms race begins in order to ensure that the global protection the US provided can be reinstated by home nations.

I think I'll wait up and see the early results roll in.

Good luck guys.