• To Dare is to do...
    1. Welcome to Proper Spursy the most authentic Tottenham Hotspur Supporters Forum, the home of the fallout crowd, you have to be awesome to be a member here. If you are awesome come and say hello.

    Vincent Janssen - why he's not Soldado Mk2

    Discussion in 'Player Discussion' started by Basskadet, Sep 20, 2016.

    1. Basskadet

      Basskadet Well-Known Member Founding Member

      Joined:
      Aug 2016
      Messages:
      265
      Likes Received:
      125
      So, our young backup striker is about to get thrust into the spotlight, and we all hope he can come good and start finding the back of the net.

      However, I think it would be fair to say that there are a few concerns about the kid, but I urge people not to judge him to hastily.

      Watching his wayward finishing up until now, some have already lept to the fairly ridiculous suggestion that he could be Bobby Soldado Mk2

      Here is why that is utter nonsense:

      Bobby came to Spurs with experience at the top level of scoring goals, but supposedly the finished article. Signing for us at the age of 27 effectively meant that we were hoping to have bought somebody who would bring an immediate impact, and he did ... briefly.

      Bobby scored 4 goals in his 1st 3 games and played as our main striker in our 1st 2 Premier League games, scoring the winner in both. Even though there were a couple penalties in there, you could even say he got off to a flyer! Things quickly changed though. Things did not go well for Bobby on the pitch and tragedy struck off of it and that made things difficult for him. Once things started to go downhill, well, you can't teach an old dog new tricks, and it was becoming ever more apparent that Bobby was just not suited to English football.

      Janssen is very, very different. Where Bobby was 27, Vincent is just 22 and has his whole career before him. Where Bobby was not suited to English football, Vincent looks almost tailor made for it. Where Bobby was signed to be our main goal-scorer and started the season straight in the team, Vincent has had to bide his time behind Harry Kane and make do with just 1 start and several sub appearances.

      Finally, and perhaps the most interesting, Bobby hit the ground running and perhaps gave everyone a bit of false hope with 4 goals in 3 games, whilst Vincent, as you would expect for a young guy experiencing English football for the first time, is having to adapt and find his feet. Whilst he should've scored given the chances he's had, I've seen nothing which we should not have expected.

      Don't forget, Dennis Bergkamp arrived at Arsenal with a big reputation and started most Premier League games, but it still took him 6 full games to score.

      The great Dimitar Berbatov only bagged 1 goal in his first NINE Premier League games for Spurs.

      Let's give the lad a chance, he's actually looked pretty good so far considering.
       
      • Like Like x 2
    2. Ted the Yid

      Ted the Yid Well-Known Member Founding Member

      Joined:
      Aug 2016
      Messages:
      695
      Likes Received:
      188
      Janssen has had 2 bad misses which sent them types into a frenzy of could shout first and loudest on predicting his downfall.

      I know nothing about the guy pre Spurs apart from he scored a lot last year in the Dutch league in his breakout season.

      What I see of him in a Spurs shirt is that he is hard working, gets into shooting positions, not afraid to shoot and above all see's others around him and can bring others into the game. In one of the pre-season friendlies he hit a sublime diagonal chip which laid on a brilliant chance for i think it was Lamela.

      Gillingham is a great game for him to get an opportunity but what he needs is patience from the fans.
       
      Last edited: Sep 20, 2016
    3. Yid

      Yid Well-Known Member Founding Member

      Joined:
      Jun 2016
      Messages:
      1,006
      Likes Received:
      240
      Oh FFS. ..... seriously

      He has barely kicked a fcuking ball for us are people seriously spouting this horse shit.

      Some cunts need to get a fcuking life and remember to try and enjoy a game of football from time to time.
       
      • Agree Agree x 2
    4. Thfcire

      Thfcire Well-Known Member Founding Member

      Joined:
      Jun 2016
      Messages:
      1,018
      Likes Received:
      195
      I'm convinced a vast majority of our fanbase are only happy when they're fucking unhappy .im guessing loads have saved blogs and posts not only slagging this kid off but poch for not signing a third striker (this kid can barely get game time as it is while Harry was fit ).
       
    5. skiathospurs

      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

      Joined:
      Jun 2016
      Messages:
      5,260
      Likes Received:
      1,583
      Oh to live in a world where you wish for the best and arent a deluded cunt for doing so.
       
      • Agree Agree x 1
    6. Basskadet

      Basskadet Well-Known Member Founding Member

      Joined:
      Aug 2016
      Messages:
      265
      Likes Received:
      125
      Oh dear, he's gone and ruined everything!!

      1st goal for Spurs and it's a 2nd half Penalty!

      Maybe he is Soldado MkII after all

      In all seriousness, I'm thrilled he's got his goal and I loved the way that, when Trippier was, erm, tripped and the ref gave the pen, Janssen ran over and grabbed the ball with real purpose and determination. Nobody else was getting that penalty, and that shows great confidence after a slightly shaky start in front of goal. Brilliant
       
    7. skiathospurs

      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

      Joined:
      Jun 2016
      Messages:
      5,260
      Likes Received:
      1,583
      For a brief moment Eriksen looked very interested at the pen being on a hatrick and all,but Vincent is a big unit and no way was he going to relinquish that ball!
       
    8. Dorset

      Dorset The Voice Of Reason Founding Member

      Joined:
      Jul 2016
      Messages:
      1,814
      Likes Received:
      575
      Judging Janssen as a new legend or a tosspot after only a few games is farking mental and the wonkpots that do it must be suffering from NES ( Numpty Expectations Syndrome ) , - this is a mental illness where sufferers expect everybody to be 100% effective 100% of the time and to always succeed at everything they do from the minute they start doing what they are doing - or they ridicule them.

      I have shoved some numbers on my website covering 'Dry Runs', it's a bit tricky as I have included all strikers who have scored over 20 goals in the Premiership so a lot of the blokes at the top are not really strikers, but, further down you will see some famous names and the longest run of PL games they played without scoring:

      Emille Heskey ( England Superstar )- 26 games
      Louis Saha ( Some bloke ) - 24 games
      Fernando Torres ( duh!) - 18 games
      Alan Shearer (All Time Top PL Scorer) - 17 games
      Jerrmain Defoe ( Yiddo!) - 17 games
      Mario Balotelli ( Dildo ) 15 games
      Teddy Sheringham ( Top Spurs PL scorer ) - 15 games
      Christian Ronaldo ( Orange bloke ) - 13 games
      Wayne Rooney ( Granny shagger ) - 11 games

      OK, there are some jokers in the pack there, but can you imagine if our own supporters had turned on Teddy or JD while they were in their prime because of a dry run, or calling the orange geezer a ineffective striker? EVERY striker goes through a dry spell if they play long enough and most of them take time to settle into a new club, division, country or league. Farking numpties!

      Sergio Ageuro is a freak of nature, in 105 games in the PL his longest dry run was just 5 games!

      http://goalometer.com/striker_stats/pl_strikers_index_Longest_Dry_Run.php
       
      Last edited: Sep 24, 2016
      • Like Like x 2
    9. Dorset

      Dorset The Voice Of Reason Founding Member

      Joined:
      Jul 2016
      Messages:
      1,814
      Likes Received:
      575
      I just read some total shite about Jannsen:

      To be fair, Janssen hasn’t played bad at all, he’s just struggling to score. Multiple opportunities have been given on a silver platter for the Dutchman, yet the goals have not gone in for one reason or another.

      Blah, Blah fucking Blah............

      I was going to post the link but I won't because it gets right on my tits!

      FFS the bloke has played 206 minutes in the premier League! TWO HUNDRED AND SIX MINUTES! In case you don't understand numbers that is a tad less than fuck-bleeding-all!
       
    10. J.spurs

      J.spurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

      Joined:
      Jul 2016
      Messages:
      611
      Likes Received:
      205
      Was predictable and tiresome that he'd be compared to Bobby. Look, he'd probably give anything for a goal but he hasn't been a liability when he hasn't scored--in fact he's been highly adept at holding up the ball, winning balls out of the back, spraying the ball out to overlapping wingers, etc. Looks a good player to me, I'm sure the goals will come.

      However, and I don't want to alarm you all, but I have picked him on my fantasy team, so he may never score...
       
      • Funny Funny x 2
    11. Bbkyid

      Bbkyid Member Founding Member

      Joined:
      Sep 2016
      Messages:
      47
      Likes Received:
      10
      Many people wanted to get rid of Son, and now he seems to have come good. The same people wanted to get rid of Lamela and look how's he done.
      This guy just needs some time. I think he's well suited for the league here , like others have said he's playing well. He just hasn't been taking his chances and he's got a little desperate in front of goal. Hopefully that penalty will have improved his confidence and he goes a run now. But even if he doesn't, we just need to get behind him. He'll come good.
       
      • Agree Agree x 1
    12. Thfcire

      Thfcire Well-Known Member Founding Member

      Joined:
      Jun 2016
      Messages:
      1,018
      Likes Received:
      195
      In fairness it seems poch wanted rid of son after the last few games of last season (lack of defensive stuff were told )he's major stepped up this season fair play to him
       
      • Agree Agree x 1
    13. J.spurs

      J.spurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

      Joined:
      Jul 2016
      Messages:
      611
      Likes Received:
      205
      Yeah supposedly we offered him out and he wanted to stay and fight for a place. Wouldn't be the first time that's lit a fire under a player
       
    14. Thfcire

      Thfcire Well-Known Member Founding Member

      Joined:
      Jun 2016
      Messages:
      1,018
      Likes Received:
      195
      Like lamela better in the second season thank fuck
       
      • Agree Agree x 1
    15. Yid

      Yid Well-Known Member Founding Member

      Joined:
      Jun 2016
      Messages:
      1,006
      Likes Received:
      240
      Am I right in thinking Danny Rose did the same...?
       
    16. J.spurs

      J.spurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

      Joined:
      Jul 2016
      Messages:
      611
      Likes Received:
      205
      Yeah I think that's right, Definitely there were stories at the time to the effect that we might make the Sunderland loan permanent.
       
    17. Dorset

      Dorset The Voice Of Reason Founding Member

      Joined:
      Jul 2016
      Messages:
      1,814
      Likes Received:
      575
      Bobby was also never a liability and was a great asset to the team but the tunnel vision symptom of Numptyitis means sufferers can only see goals and the part of their brain that could understand football if they ever watched a whole game is not functioning.

      I think it is way too soon to make any judgements on Janssen, personally I think he looks good and will be scoring soon.
       
      • Agree Agree x 1
    18. Yid

      Yid Well-Known Member Founding Member

      Joined:
      Jun 2016
      Messages:
      1,006
      Likes Received:
      240
      I think he needs to stop trying as hard as he does for the team.

      It may sound silly but he works in areas that means he is helping others do the scoring.

      His hold up play is great but he should be the focal point for the final ball with others doing the build up.
       
    19. Basskadet

      Basskadet Well-Known Member Founding Member

      Joined:
      Aug 2016
      Messages:
      265
      Likes Received:
      125
      Another reason Bobby failed but Vinny will be fine is their grasp of the English language. I wouldn't be surprised if Bobby speaks as little English now as he did before is 2+ years in England, and that meant the only player he was really able to speak fluently with was Lamela, who was also struggling back then.

      Vinny not only speaks very good English already, he's Dutch and we have a LOAD of Dutch speakers in the team. Bobby was always said to be a popular figure in the dressing room, but Vinny's ability to actually hold a conversation with his teammates must make it easier for him to settle.

      Yeah, I heard Gullit on MOTD making this point and it is valid to an extent. However, all I would say to Ruud is that he is looking at Vinny's performance in isolation whereas Pochettino always designs everything around all XI on the pitch. Poch not only has no problem with Vinny pulling into wide positions, he'll encourage it if it opens up space for the likes of Sonny, Eriksen and Alli to exploit, which happened all day v Boro.

      Gullit may've been a great individual footballer, but he was never quite as brilliant as a manager and that may be why he focuses on Vinny as an individual more than as a cog in the overall machine. However, that's how Poch sets his players up - to function as a whole. Kane does it also, and it hasn't stopped him scoring!

      That said, maybe Vinny is doing TOO much, as you said @Yid, rather than his movement being altogether wrong, as Gullit seemed to suggest

      For me though, I just want Vinny to concentrate on hitting the target, rather than constantly going for the corners. He's had chances, he had 1 or 2 yesterday too, but he seems to keep dragging things wide by trying to put it right into the corner. Just hit the target. Do that 2 or 3 times a game and he'll score a lot of goals.
       
      Last edited: Sep 25, 2016
    20. Yid

      Yid Well-Known Member Founding Member

      Joined:
      Jun 2016
      Messages:
      1,006
      Likes Received:
      240
      That's what I'm saying. .. there is a time and a place for that extra graft.

      While he is searching for his form and a few pals he needs to let others do the graft.

      It may hel the team open out a bit too if he occupies and stretches teams in the right areas he leaves space for others who essentially may be more skilled at doing a job in that particlar position to be more effective.

      Until you have the players to be able to play that roving fluid front line style of play where all positions are interchangable you should pretty much stick to your jobs and rely on those around you to do the same.

      Jmo of course and apparently Gulits too...
       
    21. J.spurs

      J.spurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

      Joined:
      Jul 2016
      Messages:
      611
      Likes Received:
      205
      Agreed. I do think that Vincent offers a bit more than Bobby did though. Has a gigantic arse and knows how to use it in the box.
       
    22. Dorset

      Dorset The Voice Of Reason Founding Member

      Joined:
      Jul 2016
      Messages:
      1,814
      Likes Received:
      575
      Yeah, definitely a tough geezer,I think we will start putting fear into the more physical sides with our tough guys.
       
    23. Don Diaz

      Don Diaz Zero tolerance of Numpty's Founding Member

      Joined:
      Jun 2016
      Messages:
      3,287
      Likes Received:
      898
      Stoke City 0 - 4 Tottenham Hotspur
       
    24. Havocc

      Havocc Well-Known Member Founding Member

      Joined:
      Sep 2016
      Messages:
      266
      Likes Received:
      69
      TBH, If he spends most of the season holding up the ball and setting up the other attacking players, I will be happy.

      His hold up play is a different level at the moment and is one of the man factors for the goals we have scored in the last couple of games
       
    25. deejbah

      deejbah Player in Training.

      Joined:
      Jul 2016
      Messages:
      193
      Likes Received:
      50
      He's an absolute dump truck.
       

    Share This Page