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    What the top 6 need

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    1. skiathospurs

      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Here`s my take on what the transfer bun fight this summer will or should entail.The 3 most needed pieces of the puzzle for each club.

      Chelsea;
      1.Striker,more than likely Costa will be off,Batshitcrazy cant do it on his own,they need a starter!
      2.Centerback,Terry off,zouma hasnt really progressed,if they stick with 3 at the back short of cover.I have to say they need a utility player like Dier,but can fuck right off with that.A cover player.
      3.RB/right wing back,moses did ok but moses and i could say alonso the other side could be better.

      Spurs;
      1.Back up striker
      2.CB cover
      3.right sided midfield at a pinch wing back cover (if Kyle stays)

      Man city;
      1.CB starter
      2.FB Both FBs out of contract this season (sagna and clichy)
      3.FB
      Could also do with a wanyama/dembele type yaya is past his best

      Liverpool
      1.Left back moreno is shit,milner has helped out but
      2.CB short of quality and cover
      3.DM,if you class henderson as such he is their only one.

      Arsenal&man utd;
      I have put these two together,cos I dont know where to start,except arsenal also need a top keeper.
      1:Starting striker rooney,zlatan are off,probably giroud too,both need a top standalone striker
      2.Defenders take your pick too many holes for this thread to fill
      3.Fuck me midfielders allover required,DM for arse and better than walcott,ramsey,ox,united are just bang average fellaini lmao,theres no need for a #10 they so rarely attack.
      Seriously though both clubs are looking at a massive overhaul of personnel.

      Obviously players leaving walker,sanchez,ozil,yaya,aguero,costa will impact signings,and this is just my view.I am sure you all have more of an idea than me!
      Chip in lads and lasses.
       
    2. skiathospurs

      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      So Pep comes out and says their failings this year are not scoring enough goals!!To me it seems de bruyne,silva,sane,agureo,jesus is pretty creative,surely keeper,fullbacks and DM are whats in order?Or has Pep been speaking to Ossie??
       
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    3. Don Diaz

      Don Diaz Zero tolerance of Numpty's Founding Member

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      Unfortunately Peps plan only works in games like their home 5-3 win against Monaco. They concede too many in the PL at present, we got away with a draw there and Chelsea won both against the odds. Defence and a goalkeeper is what he needs, jeez what does he know about football anyway!!
       
    4. Don Diaz

      Don Diaz Zero tolerance of Numpty's Founding Member

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      I will be fascinated to see who Poch goes for the strengthen the squad this summer, didn't expect Wanyama or Sissoko last Summer and one of those has worked out brilliantly, I still believe in Janssen based on his age but would like to see a Dembele type playerfrom Celtic and some pace apparently somewhere. But who knows. United and Arsenal have the biggest problems and Liverpool aren't far behind, they are also reliant on two players.
       
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      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Hmmm do i agree or give it funny?
       
    6. Don Diaz

      Don Diaz Zero tolerance of Numpty's Founding Member

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      Well I'd agree that he's found it tough in a proper league this year and with all their millions and 'superstar' manager I think they'll find it tough again next year which is funny because he doesn't like it and gets grumpy when he isn't winning.

      Poch is by far the classiest manager out there, Klopp is up there too, among the top 6.
       
    7. skiathospurs

      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      You could take all 3 clubs spend £150m in each and still be wondering will it make any difference,when you need more than 3 players as starters thats a 3rd of a team,tough job to hit the ground running or for them all to work.
      If next season the table looks like this,expect 2 or 3 of those untouchable media darlings to have got or get the sack.United 4 years in transistion,city 4 years without a title,wenger even with a new contract this year? could he survive outside of top 4 next year,if klopp comes 5th does he stay?I think us,playing wembley if Poch gets 6th he still def takes us to NWHL.
      And on top of that if you believe it those teams could lose rooney,zlatan,sanchez,costa,kante (reports la liga calling),makes united and arses plight even harder.
       
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      I think Woolwich need a miracle

      Wenger leaves, they are realistically heading into the United zone of terror
      Wenger stays... I'm not sure I see Sanchez and Ozil staying

      If the sale does happen, they won't sell to the league, I think they'd still labour under the illusion they can win it. Could see PSG coming in. Also want Kronke to stay in there, because Usmanov would spent I feel.

      Moyes has just resigned as Sunderland boss, so maybe he's up for the poison chalice.

      Good summer for us would see us not lose anyone we didn't want to, and Kante be snapped up by literally anyone not in the Premier League. Alonso just retired, maybe Bayern want him.
       
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    9. skiathospurs

      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Well this is some state to get into,very similar to the contract situation at United after fergie.

      Arsenal players out of contract 2018
      Ozil Alexis Ramsey Ox Per Gibbs Jenkinson Cazorla
      2019
      Theo Giroud Cech Welbeck Monreal Gabriel
       
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      Wheelchair as well in 2018, their saviour, who is on his way back to the Emirates if he doesn't fall down the steps in the Winter Gardens in Bournemouth, tricky fuckers they are, all those old people and they put the fucking seaside at the bottom of a load of steps, I expect it was an EU rule, cunts. I bet Farage will have the seaside moved up to a sensible level when he gets voted in as PM in the election next month, he'll have to offer a bit of bunce because the Lib Dems are going to give us all 100 years paid sick leave if we get a bit of a headache and the Tories are going to employ 2 new policeman and a junior doctor while Diane Abbot is going to spend a trillion pounds on 400 million new policemen which will only cost her 25 quid which she will raise by selling 100 million copies of the Big Issue for a pound.
       
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      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Manchester City are set to complete a £43m deal to sign Portugal attacking midfielder Bernardo Silva from French champions Monaco.
      The 22-year-old will join City on 1 July, with the club set to announce the transfer later on Friday.

      Yup he`s going full ossie
       
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      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    13. Don Diaz

      Don Diaz Zero tolerance of Numpty's Founding Member

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      The thing for me is this. There's no glory or achievement in buying a wining team, it's far more difficult to coach one, to turn Dier from a centre back into a defence midfield player and back to right sided defender in a 3, bring on a Danny Rose or a Harry Kane than just buying Silva. Mourinho Klopp and especially Pep have been found out this year.
       
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      Don Diaz Zero tolerance of Numpty's Founding Member

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      Imagine Poch with his coaching skills + £200m
       
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      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      The urgency of now makes Poch a rare breed,as is a club willing to wait 3 years,interesting to see if Klopp gets as long?I guess city and chelsea/united can just bankroll +£200m a season in transfers,termination of managers,for the rest of us not quite so easy,and I dont see our ethos changing hugely in NWHL tbh.
       
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      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      So since May,things have moved on,some clubs already moved big in the market and we have lost Walker,one better quality newspaper said that "spurs are the control test for continuity vs big spending",there is an argument for that as well as lashing out to hopefully improve,neither is any guarantee of success.So far this is roughly what has been happening with clubs around the top 6.

      Chelsea
      have signed morata,Willy Caballero, defender Antonio Rudiger and midfielder Tiemoue Bakayoko,will lose Costa,lost terry,loaned out about a dozen players including Zouma or sold cheaply their youth talent like solanke.Basically will morata do better than Costa?maybe Matic is moving on and does bakayoko add to their midfield significantly is my take.

      Liverpool
      Took Solanke from chelsea,signed Hulls fullback and Salah however good an area they are full of players,lost utility player Lucas,will still have Milner/moreno in defence,is there really any movement here to worry anyone?defence and defnsive midfield still a big question surely?

      Arse
      Spunked the war chest on lacezette,france`s cover for giroud and a free balkan player from germany added.Still have unrest over ozil,sanchez,wilshere,gibbs,chamberlin entering the final year of contracts,the polish selfie twat has gone and flop perez to be sold taking a big hit probably,worried??Not really,defence and defensive midfield still as bad as Liverpools ATM.

      Man Utd
      Signed big lump Lukaku and defender Lindelof for over £100m and desperate for a defensive midfielder according to jose,matic,dier on the radar,fellaini going to turkey they say,and talisman Rooney gone,oh yeah 30 goal zlatan finished,will lukaku even get close?.Reports of winger perisic wanted,not sure how that makes martial,rashford and other players feel.Still keeping smalling and jones should help even up the odds

      Man City
      Huge squad now,cant be bothered to list the +£200m they spent already,trying to shore up the defence with nearly all and another CB wanted too Pep says.Thing about having a huge squad is players like Sane have a face like a bulldog licking piss off of a nettle,did you see him warming up yesterday??can you add so many and make them tick?and keep a squad happy and working.Yes we made them look great in a friendly,they are the ones most improved on paper,but so were they last year and unfortunatly we play on grass.Pep like wengers failure to grasp defence is their achilles heel imo.

      Everton
      Lost Lukaku added rooney and ramirez,lost deulofeu and probably barkley and added sunderlands GK,an ajax midfielder,,burnleys CB for around +£100m.We all know how this ends changing over 50% of a side in one hit.The players maybe good potential but that was a chunk of money.Also like arsenal I will say thursday nights!!And unlike last year liverpool and chelsea will play midweek in europe to add to any negative I can cling to.

      So to sum up,I think chelsea and united,liverpool have kind of stood still,replacing like for like or where they are already strong,city have spent huge to put a defensive unit together,may pay off but they spent huge on Stones and a new keeper last year,an ageing kompany,yaya still pretty important to their defence more than 4 new FBs.Wenger has gambled on a ligue1 striker to cover shortcomings at the back or in midfield (and Jose too eh!),he`s all gone a bit ossie TBH,and Jose abit serie A perhaps?,and everton are as unpredictable as a box of frogs,but i just dont see a team from all the changes yet along with europa.

      Big thing is what will we do?,will continuity prove to be a naive dream?will playing for your home club prove to be more worth than someone playing for oil money Who knows,2 weeks today we are away in newcastle,dont think we specifically need to sign somebody to beat them,but a defender and barkley would give me something to big up our chances of improving for sure!!
       
    17. Don Diaz

      Don Diaz Zero tolerance of Numpty's Founding Member

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      Well at this stage, which is no stage at all since no-one has kicked a ball yet, I'd say that Manchester looks stronger than London and Liverpool.

      United and City having spent almost as much as a figure that could rebuild all the tower blocks in this country, have hugely talented squads, then Chelsea maybe, then us then Liverpool then Arsenal. But who knows, by Christmas we'll see who has worked out and who hasn't.

      If Janssen knocks a few in, we'll have two strikers, If CCV steps up and we keep Wimmer we'll have Centre back cover for nothing, so we just need a right back or wing back, unless you count Kyle Walker peters to replace Kyle Walker and someone as cover for a midfield attacking/creative force. But they might cost £50m+ so who knows...we'll have Lamela come back for nothing and a bloke called Marcus Edwards.
       
    18. wilson

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      City/United look stronger. City have largely overpaid but they have brought in good players in areas they needed to strengthen. I don't wish injury upon anyone but Zlatan getting injured is fortunate for us because it meant that £70m had to be spent on a replacement (Lukaku) rather than strengthening elsewhere. Matic will be a good buy too if they get him, even though he's overpriced.

      Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool have pretty much just been replacing and doing minor improvements. Arsenal and Liverpool haven't strengthened where they needed to yet but I expect them to or they're idiots. Oh and for Everton, even though I think they have bought some good players, I think it will be a case of a great team on paper but a frustrating season getting them to play consistently well with so many changes.

      There's not actually one signing so far this window in the prem that I'm jealous of or would want here. Obviously Morata, Lukaku, Matic, etc, are quality players imo but they aren't the signings or positions we need to strengthen. Salah is probably the only one I would maybe want purely because that is the sort of player/position I think we could do with bringing someone in.

      Honestly, like @Don Diaz says, aside from replacing positions if we need to (RB, CB if Wimmer goes, etc) we haven't actually got that much to do. If we keep everyone else that we want to and just bring in 1 or 2 quality players that can, at the least, be ready to push for a first XI place we would have had a top transfer market. I'd personally like a player who is good enough to seriously push Alli/Eriksen/Son for a spot and also a creative CM. Then jobs a good'un and we will be keeping the bulk of our team together whilst providing real competition for places! It's no secret how improved our fullbacks have been in recent season since we had 2 quality backups pushing them for a start.

      If we are just planning to bring 1 or 2 quality players then I think it's right that we are taking our time (even if it is a little painful for a fan like me :)) as with such little change you'd want to make sure we aren't bringing in another Sissoko! Excited to see what business we do in what's left of the window.
       
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      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Manchester United have completed the signing of Nemanja Matic from Chelsea for £40m on a three-year deal.

      well i am suprised chelsea strengthened a rival,get ready for more mourinio bus I guess.
       
    20. Don Diaz

      Don Diaz Zero tolerance of Numpty's Founding Member

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      Eric Dier stays....
       
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      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Yeah why spend £50m on a striker when you can buy 2 fullbacks at £50m each eh!!
       
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      Don Diaz Zero tolerance of Numpty's Founding Member

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      Tosser.

      He and Mourinho simply buy players to ensure their success, there's nothing 'genius' about that.
       
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      I've never bought onto this hype around him. Mourinhio at l3ast did a great job at Porto. He's been a cunt ever since, but he does have some credentials to his name.

      Pep inherited a team full of superstars and added regularly and has done the same thing at the Mancs.

      Badly fuck.
       
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      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Wont just be wenger fucking off then
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      That's one thing I like about our wage structure. Because players tend to start on lower wages with us than what they could get elsewhere it means we can offer those that perform/progress improved contracts and within it an extension so we are never in danger of losing a top player (or even backups - Tom Carroll for example) on a bosman free transfer.

      Whereas say with the Ozil and Sanchez's of the world, they start on big money and there's not much room for an improved wage so there is no real incentive for them to ever sign an extension unless they are loyal to the club - which is less and less common these days. Our boys know if they do well they will be rewarded and so there's incentive there to do well to earn more and we get them tied into long term contracts.

      Even though sometimes we can't compete with the overspenders on the initial wage we can offer, we end up getting players who actually want to play and show their worth to get an improved contract without just sitting easy on big money. Plus it obviously benefits us long term financially with being able to sell a player for their actual value. How stressful/shit would it be if Kane, Alli, etc, were entering the final year of their contracts with no sign of a new one being signed! Fuck that.
       
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      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Just the 1st 3 names mentioned are +£100m in signing fees from a vastly uninflated era,shows what a shambles the board and manager are when the whole club is rumbling on about wenger in/wenger out.Long may it continue!!
       
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      To be honest, Ozil was pretty decent when they originally signed him, and Sanchez was worth that money at the time certainly.

      But they've given no indication they are competing any more. That's why those two are looking to move to somewhere else.

      Sanchez might stay, but expect him to score goals, but sulk when the going gets tough.
       
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      skiathospurs Well-Known Member Founding Member

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      Top 6 spend last 2 seasons
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      Plus if you factor in that we have probably sold around £120m over the last 2 summers the gulf between us and the other challengers is even bigger. Probably one of the only teams that can say we have actually made a profit in the transfer market of £50m+ over the last 2 summers, and unbelievably that's with spunking £30m on Sissoko..

      If all else fails we could always ask for a trophy to be made celebrating that? I'm sure Levy could afford to make one :p:D
       
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      It's fucking disgusting.

      That money could fix entire communities.
       

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