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skiathospurs

skiathospurs

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So before I ask about our NFL tie up at NWHL,here are some other ground breaking ways in which we changed football for the better or worse!!!

Ok,there were transfers between countries before 1978,city will tell you about Trautmann,we even signed Greaves from AC Milan in Italy,but truly we stunned the world with this;



Seems,so normal now,back then it had never happened before especially inter-continental transfers.Who would have know we would pave the way for latin superstars like Dominguez,Gilberto,Paulinio and Tarrico.
Yes we founded the modern transfer system,Liverpool won leagues with not a single englishman,but they were all welsh,irish or scots,chelsea/arsenal would later do the same with french,african, anyone but english players.Current monetary madness founded by spurs 1978!!

Then under Irving Scholar,we became the first stock exchange listed football club,


Changing the model over how clubs were bought and sold,or more over how easily they were bought and sold.Owners became less benefactorial and more speculative,so maybe the Richardson`s and Wale`s who sold him the club or allowed him to gain control didnt do so well for us.10 years later we had done a chelsea,built a stand and gone bust and were sold to another fan/opportunist and subsequently delisted.



Did we inadvertently set up the buy em sell em culture of oligarchs,oil barons and american billionaire corporate families?Well we certainly helped the profiteering of owning or part owning a football club,suddenly not so much THFC but THPLC,is this when it became about the investment return rather than the glory?Look at Kroneke and you decide.


And finally,


We enabled 3rd party ticket selling,very similar to the US model but within all the peculiar confines of British law regarding watching football matches after the Taylor report (post hillsboro),and the Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc.) Act was passed by a Margaret Thatcher and the Criminal_Justice_and_Public_Order_Act_1994 regarding resale of football tickets.
Well we came up with either the answer or circumvention,make the touts the legal agents for the club,hence no longer illegal to resell tickets,even for huge profit,because the touts work for the club by proxy!
Marvellous idea,get your own fans to shit on other fans and everyone makes some money except the sucker actually wanting to attend a match.

Well now stubhub has gone (for now),I would like to think after years of fans protesting the arrangement,but wembley run by ticketmaster probably had more to do with not using a competitors platform.So now its gone whats the problem?
Well google search tottenham tickets, #1 answer wont be tottenhamhotspur.com, it will be 3rd party sellers,we have enabled it to become the norm,for some uninformed buyers who still believe spurs tickets are legal on stubhub or now think of it as a trusted platform for buying tickets (especially overseas fans).
How do 20,000 germans get tickets inside the emirates before matchday?its the unspoken truth no one asks because they were good natured and out on the lash for a day,20,000 Lazio fans would have been a bloodbath.

So to my very brief point,a close partnership with another sport (NFL),another visionary moment in our history or another anything for the profit of the owners?



Well the stadium is there,not being used all the time so why not?well the cost &time to install retractable pitch,a non needed basement for teams of 70 players probably could have bought Neymar and had change for paying for that lot.Will this revenue money come back to THFC,the whole reason for being in N17 or simply be used to pay back the investment and a suitable return for them borrowing money against our club?

What would a permanent franchise do longterm to THFC?dilute the football club that we all have loved for so long?I like a bit of NFL,I like the prospect of our revenue matching man utd and being able to spend £90m on Pogba,oh wait.......,like with ricky&ossie and exotic transfers,would united or city simply buy the Patriots,bring them over and outspend us on NFL just to keep ahead?Do I expect it to work out for the best of a small football club founded by a few lads 130 years ago?

Well like signing Ossie&Ricky,being 1st to be sold on the LSE,or errrrrr cant think of a good reason for stubhub,but you get my point?is it ground breaking in a good way or in 20 years time WTF were we thinking??
 
Don Diaz

Don Diaz

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So before I ask about our NFL tie up at NWHL,here are some other ground breaking ways in which we changed football for the better or worse!!!

Ok,there were transfers between countries before 1978,city will tell you about Trautmann,we even signed Greaves from AC Milan in Italy,but truly we stunned the world with this;



Seems,so normal now,back then it had never happened before especially inter-continental transfers.Who would have know we would pave the way for latin superstars like Dominguez,Gilberto,Paulinio and Tarrico.
Yes we founded the modern transfer system,Liverpool won leagues with not a single englishman,but they were all welsh,irish or scots,chelsea/arsenal would later do the same with french,african, anyone but english players.Current monetary madness founded by spurs 1978!!

Then under Irving Scholar,we became the first stock exchange listed football club,


Changing the model over how clubs were bought and sold,or more over how easily they were bought and sold.Owners became less benefactorial and more speculative,so maybe the Richardson`s and Wale`s who sold him the club or allowed him to gain control didnt do so well for us.10 years later we had done a chelsea,built a stand and gone bust and were sold to another fan/opportunist and subsequently delisted.



Did we inadvertently set up the buy em sell em culture of oligarchs,oil barons and american billionaire corporate families?Well we certainly helped the profiteering of owning or part owning a football club,suddenly not so much THFC but THPLC,is this when it became about the investment return rather than the glory?Look at Kroneke and you decide.


And finally,


We enabled 3rd party ticket selling,very similar to the US model but within all the peculiar confines of British law regarding watching football matches after the Taylor report (post hillsboro),and the Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc.) Act was passed by a Margaret Thatcher and the Criminal_Justice_and_Public_Order_Act_1994 regarding resale of football tickets.
Well we came up with either the answer or circumvention,make the touts the legal agents for the club,hence no longer illegal to resell tickets,even for huge profit,because the touts work for the club by proxy!
Marvellous idea,get your own fans to shit on other fans and everyone makes some money except the sucker actually wanting to attend a match.

Well now stubhub has gone (for now),I would like to think after years of fans protesting the arrangement,but wembley run by ticketmaster probably had more to do with not using a competitors platform.So now its gone whats the problem?
Well google search tottenham tickets, #1 answer wont be tottenhamhotspur.com, it will be 3rd party sellers,we have enabled it to become the norm,for some uninformed buyers who still believe spurs tickets are legal on stubhub or now think of it as a trusted platform for buying tickets (especially overseas fans).
How do 20,000 germans get tickets inside the emirates before matchday?its the unspoken truth no one asks because they were good natured and out on the lash for a day,20,000 Lazio fans would have been a bloodbath.

So to my very brief point,a close partnership with another sport (NFL),another visionary moment in our history or another anything for the profit of the owners?



Well the stadium is there,not being used all the time so why not?well the cost &time to install retractable pitch,a non needed basement for teams of 70 players probably could have bought Neymar and had change for paying for that lot.Will this revenue money come back to THFC,the whole reason for being in N17 or simply be used to pay back the investment and a suitable return for them borrowing money against our club?

What would a permanent franchise do longterm to THFC?dilute the football club that we all have loved for so long?I like a bit of NFL,I like the prospect of our revenue matching man utd and being able to spend £90m on Pogba,oh wait.......,like with ricky&ossie and exotic transfers,would united or city simply buy the Patriots,bring them over and outspend us on NFL just to keep ahead?Do I expect it to work out for the best of a small football club founded by a few lads 130 years ago?

Well like signing Ossie&Ricky,being 1st to be sold on the LSE,or errrrrr cant think of a good reason for stubhub,but you get my point?is it ground breaking in a good way or in 20 years time WTF were we thinking??
Good stuff...don't know. Old school heart says I used to like the olde days when almost any team had a chance of winning the league and Cups, now its very rare outside of the top 4-5. those days had terraces, meat pies, crap pitches in winter and brown envelopes amongst other stuff. My head says the whole sporting world, not just football has moved on, but I wonder (since you've mentioned it and the picture is thought provoking) if we have just built a 'venue' rather than a 'home' - which is exactly what the Lane was. The NWHL will have a sponsors name not an address, will feature football, NFL, music and probably countless other stuff. But Old trafford and Twickenham do already, so what's the worry? They are still synonomous with Manchester United and England Rugby.

Something intangible or probably that I'm too nostalgic doesn't feel 100% right, weird because I'm definitely looking forward to moving in. No it's got to be done if we want to keep up with the modern sports phenomenon, in football, and stadiums generally and lets face it we started late, so it's only the NFL that's really new. Let's hope the new stadium and the club retains it's soul, it's history and traditions. Sir Bill is already in residence (I think) and if he's there, well we should probably support him.
 
skiathospurs

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Good stuff...don't know. Old school heart says I used to like the olde days when almost any team had a chance of winning the league and Cups, now its very rare outside of the top 4-5. those days had terraces, meat pies, crap pitches in winter and brown envelopes amongst other stuff. My head says the whole sporting world, not just football has moved on, but I wonder (since you've mentioned it and the picture is thought provoking) if we have just built a 'venue' rather than a 'home' - which is exactly what the Lane was. The NWHL will have a sponsors name not an address, will feature football, NFL, music and probably countless other stuff. But Old trafford and Twickenham do already, so what's the worry? They are still synonomous with Manchester United and England Rugby.

Something intangible or probably that I'm too nostalgic doesn't feel 100% right, weird because I'm definitely looking forward to moving in. No it's got to be done if we want to keep up with the modern sports phenomenon, in football, and stadiums generally and lets face it we started late, so it's only the NFL that's really new. Let's hope the new stadium and the club retains it's soul, it's history and traditions. Sir Bill is already in residence (I think) and if he's there, well we should probably support him.
I wonder firstly if NFL is a big success,which really translates as a money maker for THFC,then like buying ossie&ricky the world turns and the others dont just sit there gobsmacked allowing you the advantage.So any headway will be brief.

As for if the deal will work,10 years min 2 games a season,well they already have ties at wembley and twickenham,why not the etihad,emirates,old trafford?will Levy sell the clubs soul to get a london franchise at the lane as part of the glory of top revenue stream to go with the net spend cup?If so how does that work?are we landlords to them or partners?or soon to be tenants.

The "home" or venue question is an excellent point,home you always go well..... home to,venues you just visit for a trip out.The tv deal gravy train and sell out crowds arent a given forever,just ask inter,roma or any Serie A team.Once a flourishing league now,well have a look......



not so much plastic fans as poster fans!!


It is a bold play By Levy,do clubs really need to be a brand in different continents?is that the play here,or are we going to be home to the London Cocks,europes 1st NFL franchise?Whatever,surely its all about the money,as i said we dont support revenue streams or net spends,we support a sports team,thats all,here`s hoping that isnt lost on our benevolent owners.

I havent even mentioned cheese yet!!!!!!
 
Don Diaz

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I wonder firstly if NFL is a big success,which really translates as a money maker for THFC,then like buying ossie&ricky the world turns and the others dont just sit there gobsmacked allowing you the advantage.So any headway will be brief.

As for if the deal will work,10 years min 2 games a season,well they already have ties at wembley and twickenham,why not the etihad,emirates,old trafford?will Levy sell the clubs soul to get a london franchise at the lane as part of the glory of top revenue stream to go with the net spend cup?If so how does that work?are we landlords to them or partners?or soon to be tenants.

The "home" or venue question is an excellent point,home you always go well..... home to,venues you just visit for a trip out.The tv deal gravy train and sell out crowds arent a given forever,just ask inter,roma or any Serie A team.Once a flourishing league now,well have a look......



not so much plastic fans as poster fans!!


It is a bold play By Levy,do clubs really need to be a brand in different continents?is that the play here,or are we going to be home to the London Cocks,europes 1st NFL franchise?Whatever,surely its all about the money,as i said we dont support revenue streams or net spends,we support a sports team,thats all,here`s hoping that isnt lost on our benevolent owners.

I havent even mentioned cheese yet!!!!!!
The other thing that you haven't mentioned is ENIC's ultimate goal/objective. Which is possibly for Spurs to be the best club in Europe, in a brilliant Stadium with a manager building a dynasty or more probably selling in 2-3 years time and trousering about £1bn, leaving the club 'on a fantastic place to take on the future' but secretly not caring too much....

I'm afraid given the circumstances I think the latter is more likely, with Levy retaining a small stake and a place on the board.

Unfortunately for fans, you have no option if you love your club, until you can't afford it anymore. At that stage you just watch on TV and for live football suppprt your local club - Wycombe Wanderers in my case.

A final thought, I remember John Hall at Newcastle trying to combine multi sports...it didn't work, maybe he was ahead of his time.

There is no alternative really though, you have to embrace the future at some point, not dwell in the past - something we at Spurs have all been a little guilty of in the past.
 
skiathospurs

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The other thing that you haven't mentioned is ENIC's ultimate goal/objective. Which is possibly for Spurs to be the best club in Europe, in a brilliant Stadium with a manager building a dynasty or more probably selling in 2-3 years time and trousering about £1bn, leaving the club 'on a fantastic place to take on the future' but secretly not caring too much....

I'm afraid given the circumstances I think the latter is more likely, with Levy retaining a small stake and a place on the board.

Unfortunately for fans, you have no option if you love your club, until you can't afford it anymore. At that stage you just watch on TV and for live football suppprt your local club - Wycombe Wanderers in my case.

A final thought, I remember John Hall at Newcastle trying to combine multi sports...it didn't work, maybe he was ahead of his time.

There is no alternative really though, you have to embrace the future at some point, not dwell in the past - something we at Spurs have all been a little guilty of in the past.
They fucking sacked BMJ at half time and everyone knew,I know which way I would bet on that lots morals.

I then had a rant and deleted it !! :p
 

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