Premier league 20/21

[skiathospurs]

 

[skiathospurs]

Tottenham Hotspur vs Brighton has been moved to Sunday November 1 (7.15pm kick-off) and will be one of the pay per view games on Sky Box Office.

 

[BrooklynYid]

Thank God I live in America, where I only have to $200/month for the NBCSN sports package plus and additional $4.99 a month for Peacock streaming. Yes!

 

[skiathospurs]

Thank God I live in America, where I only have to $200/month for the NBCSN sports package plus and additional $4.99 a month for Peacock streaming. Yes!

Imagine you have also paid for a £1000 season ticket,to not be able to go and then add this on to your subs.I get your point all fans are being milked,in the uk PL matches are now split between 3 providers and this is now a 4th ppv service.I used to feel righteous and pay my yearly money to the club,but as its ,more of a billion pound business enterprise now,i think morally they dont need it now,its no longer a club.Same with murdoch and the huge broadcasters they dont need my money.

Me I have iptv,pretty much has every countries tv/sports channels,for less than the price of one match ticket a year.

 

[BrooklynYid]

Imagine you have also paid for a £1000 season ticket,to not be able to go and then add this on to your subs.I get your point all fans are being milked,in the uk PL matches are now split between 3 providers and this is now a 4th ppv service.I used to feel righteous and pay my yearly money to the club,but as its ,more of a billion pound business enterprise now,i think morally they dont need it now,its no longer a club.Same with murdoch and the huge broadcasters they dont need my money.

Me I have iptv,pretty much has every countries tv/sports channels,for less than the price of one match ticket a year.

Yeah you guys get royally screwed. At least here, for a fee, we can watch whatever match we want. If I was a ticket holder I would go nuts. They totally fuck over their most loyal supporters. Fuckin Levy.

 

[Havocc]

TBH, its roughly half what I would spend travelling to the lane without even buying a ticket. So for me, I am happy to pay the money.

 

[skiathospurs]

TBH, its roughly half what I would spend travelling to the lane without even buying a ticket. So for me, I am happy to pay the money.

If only the clubs were running this and taking all the income,but bt and sky as providers,even though rumour has it they arent taking any money,yeah right their benevolence is renowned.

What is going to happen (probably) is where the tv picks were the cream of fixtures,now expect burnley vs wba,brighton vs fulham to be the tv picks and spurs vs chelsea to be the PPV game,call me cynical but football at the top level has become squeezing as hard to increase revenue,So owners,agents,players,broadcasters,betting companies can eek evey last penny out of punters,sorry I mean fans.

 

[Yid]

If only the clubs were running this and taking all the income,but bt and sky as providers,even though rumour has it they arent taking any money,yeah right their benevolence is renowned.

What is going to happen (probably) is where the tv picks were the cream of fixtures,now expect burnley vs wba,brighton vs fulham to be the tv picks and spurs vs chelsea to be the PPV game,call me cynical but football at the top level has become squeezing as hard to increase revenue,So owners,agents,players,broadcasters,betting companies can eek evey last penny out of punters,sorry I mean fans.

Not from me... I've been priced out for years now... and I'm not skint, its still a quality product, but the ethics of it all detests me.

Call me a hypocrite, call me selfish whatever... If I didn't have access to the game it would no longer bother me as it once would have.

 

[Glenjamin]

If only the clubs were running this and taking all the income,but bt and sky as providers,even though rumour has it they arent taking any money,yeah right their benevolence is renowned.

What is going to happen (probably) is where the tv picks were the cream of fixtures,now expect burnley vs wba,brighton vs fulham to be the tv picks and spurs vs chelsea to be the PPV game,call me cynical but football at the top level has become squeezing as hard to increase revenue,So owners,agents,players,broadcasters,betting companies can eek evey last penny out of punters,sorry I mean fans.

Main thing to watch out for are ALL the matches becoming PPV once fans return to stadiums. It would be the biggest money maker ever.

 

[skiathospurs]

Not from me... I've been priced out for years now... and I'm not skint, its still a quality product, but the ethics of it all detests me.

Call me a hypocrite, call me selfish whatever... If I didn't have access to the game it would no longer bother me as it once would have.

No I agree,I am and have been an addict for 40 something years,but the product itself and the pricing is turning me off.And then the ethics surrounding sport and business also disturbs me.

 

[Dorset]

Thank God I live in America, where I only have to $200/month for the NBCSN sports package plus and additional $4.99 a month for Peacock streaming. Yes!

'Only $200 a month?' I would weep my poor little eyes outfit I paid that for a year!

 

[skiathospurs]

Main thing to watch out for are ALL the matches becoming PPV once fans return to stadiums. It would be the biggest money maker ever.

I did post a tifo football article from youtube about how over the top televising of games by clubs will happen.Because the revenues are so huge.If I can find I will post it here.
TBH buying a spurs PPV season ticket is a better option than paying sky and being charged to watch clubs you have no interest in,or other sports you have no interest in.What stops it for now is the clubs suckling the teats of sky/BT/amazon and taking the safe money (which is still huge).But what will happen is profits will be more obscene,agents fees will be more obscene,wages will get evermore ridiculous and it will still be on the back of fans.I dont begrudge Kane earing a million a month because of who he is for us and how he performs,Ndombele...not so much for his 200k a week.But the world is ending and the people being paid to find and fix it are earning a year what a footballer earns a week,and that is worth thinking about for me anyway.

 

[skiathospurs]

Arent search engines magnificent....

 

[Dorset]

I did post a tifo football article from youtube about how over the top televising of games by clubs will happen.Because the revenues are so huge.If I can find I will post it here.
TBH buying a spurs PPV season ticket is a better option than paying sky and being charged to watch clubs you have no interest in,or other sports you have no interest in.What stops it for now is the clubs suckling the teats of sky/BT/amazon and taking the safe money (which is still huge).But what will happen is profits will be more obscene,agents fees will be more obscene,wages will get evermore ridiculous and it will still be on the back of fans.I dont begrudge Kane earing a million a month because of who he is for us and how he performs,Ndombele...not so much for his 200k a week.But the world is ending and the people being paid to find and fix it are earning a year what a footballer earns a week,and that is worth thinking about for me anyway.

I think PPV for the team you want to watch would be good for fans, if they charged sensible prices and showed all the games. When Levy wanted £20 to watch a pre-season friendly he would probably want £50 for a category A game on the telly. With the European, cup and league games you would probably have to stump up 2 grand a year.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

'Only $200 a month?' I would weep my poor little eyes outfit I paid that for a year!

Mate, if you use Optus for your phone plan down here in Australia you get every Premier League, Champions League and Europa League game live for the equivalent of about 3 quid per month. If you don’t use Optus it costs you about 10 quid per month.

Plus we get on demand replays, highlights and so much extra content (interviews, shows, etc) as part of the deal it is ridiculous. As lucky as we are, I cannot fathom what you guys pay for a lesser offer over there. It’s fucking daylight robbery.

 

[skiathospurs]

Well well......

Project Big Picture: The key proposals of Premier League overhaul revealed

Full breakdown of how new proposals will shape finances, infrastructure and governance

www.telegraph.co.uk

And a newer telegraph article

Manchester United and Liverpool are the driving force behind the biggest changes to English football in a generation and an extraordinary overhaul of the Premier League, The Daily Telegraph can reveal....

 

[skiathospurs]

Most pertinent parts,I havent included the money incentives offered to EFL and the FA to allow this to happen.

Project Big Picture: The key proposals of Premier League overhaul revealed


Redistribution of Media & Sponsorship Revenues (three possible options)

• Option A: 50% equal, 25% current-year merit, 25% previous 3-year merit

A greater emphasis will be placed on merit in both the Premier League and the Championship with half of payments reflecting positions over the past four years.

• Option B: Current Premier League distribution scheme (50% equal, 25% by merit and 25% by facility fees) but newly promoted clubs must holdback £25m of first two years in the Premier League to mitigate risk of relegation.

• Option C: Current Premier League distribution scheme, but newly promoted clubs receive 25% of their allocated Facility Fees for first 3 years in league.

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• Premier League and English Football League domestic and international media rights will be collectively sold by the Premier League.
• Compensation payments to The EFL and FA, infrastructure monies and related borrowings are deducted prior to determination of distributable revenues.

Pyramid structure

• The Premier League, originally formed to house 18 clubs,would be reduced from 20 to 18 clubs.
• This would free up the calendar and, with fewer teams and an end to parachute payments, provide additional resources to the EFL.
• Reduction from 38 to 34 rounds of matches will also aid the national team.
• Championships, League One and League Two to all be made up of 24 clubs

Promotion and relegation

• Premier League relegation: At least two clubs automatically relegated annually
• Championship promotion: 1st and 2nd automatically promoted.
• Club finishing 16th in the Premier League to join four-team Championship play-off tournament for final Premier League place, with teams who finish 3rd, 4th and 5th in the Championships. Semi-finals would be 16th place Premier League team vs 5th place Championship team and 3rd place Championship team vs 4th place Championship team.
• Championship: Relegation of three clubs
• League One: Promotion of three clubs. Relegation of four clubs
• League Two: Promotion of four clubs. Relegation of four clubs

Club media

• All Premier League clubs have the exclusive rights to sell eight live matches a season directly to fans via their own digital platforms in all international territories.
• All Premier League and Championship clubs allowed to show limited in-match highlights on their own digital platforms.
• No more than 27 games per club will be shown live in UK per season
• Saturday 3pm broadcast blackouts remain to help protect EFL attendance

Other competitions

• League Cup and Community Shield discontinued;
• Establishment of a new independent league for the Women’s professional game, not to be owned by the Premier League or The Football Association;
• FA Cup replays retained but there will be no replays in the winter break;
• Premier League begins later in August and pre-season friendlies extended;
• No more than two weeks between the end of the Premier League and the Champions League final;
• Premier League clubs must participate at least once every five years in the Premier League summer tournament.

Other structural changes

• Elite Player Performance Plan funding is included in the revenue received by EFL clubs;
• Clubs in League One and below are no longer required to have an academy;
• Clubs permitted to have up to 15 players out on loan domestically at any time, including up to four in a single English club. Introduction of one month loans for players under 23, an ability to recall loanees in the event of managerial change, incentivise loanee clubs through payments based on future performance or sale of loaned players;
• Remove the scholarship clause permitting players to terminate at any stage;
• No restrictions on loans in;
• Player contracts: Lump sums permitted to be payable from the start of employment. Force majeure provisions to be added to protect against clubs' insolvency.

Cost Controls & Related Party Income

• Financial Fair Play rules that align with Uefa to ensure English clubs are not at a disadvantage in Europe;
• A £50 million cap per annum on all related party transactions and a more stringent ‘related party’ definition;
• Premier League executive provided with full access to clubs accounting information to investigate cost control
• A joint Premier League and Championship body will monitor cost controls.
• The English Football League will introduce hard salary caps.

Governance

• All material matters relating to the business of the Premier League will require shareholder approval, except that the Board will decide whether to approve a new owner;
• All votes will require more than two-thirds majority to be approved;
• All other votes for the operation of the Premier League will be one-club, one-vote except those provided for under ‘Special Voting Rights’

Special Voting Rights

• Each of the nine clubs who, at any time of determination, have been members of the Premier League continuously for more seasons than other clubs will be considered a ‘Long-Term Shareholder’.
• Two-thirds of the long-term shareholders can cause to be adopted without approval from the other clubs:

i) the election or removal of the CEO and/or a member of the board;


ii) amendments to cost control rules and regulations;


iii) contracts for the sale of league broadcasting and media rights

• Two-thirds of the long-term shareholders can prevent from being adopted resolutions to:

i) change the distribution rights of the sponsorship, commercial and broadcasting rights sold


centrally;


ii) change the distribution to clubs from other PL centralised rights or assets


c) alter in a material way the nature of the competition

• Two-thirds of the long-term shareholders can veto the Premier League board’s approval of a proposed new owner.

 

[skiathospurs]

PL issue press statement in response.

 

[Style And Glory]

So on quick review, 6 or the 9 "Long Term Shareholders" can / will dictate what happens. No?

If so, here we go...


PS not sure about all this even though Spurs will be one of the 9.

 

[BrooklynYid]

I dunno, something about absolute power corrupting absolutely and all.

 

[BrooklynYid]

'Only $200 a month?' I would weep my poor little eyes outfit I paid that for a year!

In fairness it includes my entire cable package plus internet, but yeah it is absurd.

 

[skiathospurs]

I dunno, something about absolute power corrupting absolutely and all.

They tried this 20 odd years ago,14 european elite clubs,well some of those 14 (ac milan,arsenal,inter..)are no longer elite.
Public sentiment is strongly against the monetising of the sport further,ownership,tv control people suggesting a coup need to be sure that they can pull it off,cos when a coup D`etat fails its not pretty for the perpetrators.

How about want an 18 club PL,man utd and liverpool fuck off,job done.

 

[skiathospurs]

Easy to see which way Levy will vote.

 

[USspur]

Not a fan of the new proposal. the rich are taking advantage of everyone else because everyone else needs the money.

long term only the top clubs will benefit from this

 

[skiathospurs]

Not a fan of the new proposal. the rich are taking advantage of everyone else because everyone else needs the money.

long term only the top clubs will benefit from this

Its all about ensuring the rich stay rich,hidden beneath some immediate benevolence which wont last,because thats not what rich things do.

 

[Yid]

They tried this 20 odd years ago,14 european elite clubs,well some of those 14 (ac milan,arsenal,inter..)are no longer elite.
Public sentiment is strongly against the monetising of the sport further,ownership,tv control people suggesting a coup need to be sure that they can pull it off,cos when a coup D`etat fails its not pretty for the perpetrators.

How about want an 18 club PL,man utd and liverpool fuck off,job done.

They want an 18 team league so if they want it that bad they can volunteer to fuck off to chumpionshit...

What I cant believe is that they're exploiting the impending financial crisis of the lower leagues to barge this through....

Offering them an instant cash bailout now when they're all scrambling for pennies while they've been under invested in for deccades.

Pay per view here we come.

I'm out.

 

[skiathospurs]

Project Big Picture: A sugar-coated cyanide pill - Football Supporters' Association

Football is in crisis, many clubs desperately need financial support to help them survive, and the game’s wealth has to be shared more fairly – but the ‘Project Big Picture’ plans are not the answer and they would be an absolute disaster for our game.

thefsa.org.uk

 

[Don Diaz]

Isn't this a similar deal to that which they have in La Liga, where Barca and Real own all the money, rights and deals, because that's what suits them best? Thin end of the wedge or are we there already? there are only about 4 teams that can afford to buy the Premier league title atm. The football that we grew up with in the 80's is long gone and has been for some time.

 

[skiathospurs]

Isn't this a similar deal to that which they have in La Liga, where Barca and Real own all the money, rights and deals, because that's what suits them best? Thin end of the wedge or are we there already? there are only about 4 teams that can afford to buy the Premier league title atm. The football that we grew up with in the 80's is long gone and has been for some time.

They need 14 of 20 to vote in favour,I would think 5 or 6 in more danger of relegation when reducing to a 18 team league,wont be tirkeys voting for xmas.Leicester were the only club not to approve the £14.95 PPV deal so probably they will vote against.I think without further sweetners ATM its unlikely to proceed.

 

[Yid]

14.95 is an absolute piss take...

£3 a game, just for the game I might pay... maybe even £15 a month for all matches if they could guarantee 4kHD streams id consider it...

But I probably would juts nick them off the web for fuck all...

Fuck the clubs give us back our game...