Thfcire
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And if we drop into it we might get a night out somewhere nearer you
The Cryptkeeper
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Hugo Lloris is a genius. That second half save is in the top handful of saves I have ever seen.
Wow.
Wow.
Yid
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May get crucified but I'm not 100% pissed at being out of it.
I hope if we do get the Europa we sack that shit off too as we have to start playing our a game in the fucking bread and duties league games.
I know I shouldn't think like this but pragmatically we are not strong enough to fight on all fronts. We need continued league success to attract the players who will help us be more successful in the European fixtures. Right now we're a long way off that imo.
I hope if we do get the Europa we sack that shit off too as we have to start playing our a game in the fucking bread and duties league games.
I know I shouldn't think like this but pragmatically we are not strong enough to fight on all fronts. We need continued league success to attract the players who will help us be more successful in the European fixtures. Right now we're a long way off that imo.
The Cryptkeeper
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I doubt it will make any difference mate. One, you always pay overs in January and we rarely chase anybody of any real value during that window. Two, a lot of the guys that could be targets in that window would already be Cup tied and ineligible anyway.
The thing now is that we absolutely must qualify for next season's Champions League. That will ensure we remain in the mix to land real top talent.
Dorset
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Hard to find the positives, but the penalty save was special and the later one was god-like, so Hugo must be worshipped. That was one of the best saves I have ever seen I reckon, it almost made the night bearable, amost.
I suppose there will be post-mortems performed on the corpse of our Champions League campaign now. Why did we play our home games away at Wembley? Was it revenue driven and would we have won those 2 games at the Lane? I don't know do I? Looking at our recent run of draws and a last gasp win I would say no.
Maybe we qualified for the CL a year too early, I am totally confident that the Poch is building a side that you younger folks will look back on when you are old like me and go 'oooohhh remember when we won the treble', but we have seen we have gone as wobbly as a wobbly plate of jelly that is wobbly when a few key players have been injured. We are too reliant on the bloke who I think is probably the buy of the century Toby, our first selection back four are the very bollocks of the dog, only one of them was shielding the god-like Hugo last night. With our top players match fit we are a top banana side, with key players injured or coming back from injury we are vunerable, understandable.
I am never too arsed about going out of cups, they are just a bonus and my favourite is the FA cup anyway, maybe with easier EL games we will be able to concentrate on this proper, non-tinpot cup. I think we might see some younger players being given a chance against CSKA as ... well, honestly, who gives a fuck now?
What we need mow is for our boys to mullah the bollocks off those nasty chavs at the weekend, then we will all be happy bunnies.
I suppose there will be post-mortems performed on the corpse of our Champions League campaign now. Why did we play our home games away at Wembley? Was it revenue driven and would we have won those 2 games at the Lane? I don't know do I? Looking at our recent run of draws and a last gasp win I would say no.
Maybe we qualified for the CL a year too early, I am totally confident that the Poch is building a side that you younger folks will look back on when you are old like me and go 'oooohhh remember when we won the treble', but we have seen we have gone as wobbly as a wobbly plate of jelly that is wobbly when a few key players have been injured. We are too reliant on the bloke who I think is probably the buy of the century Toby, our first selection back four are the very bollocks of the dog, only one of them was shielding the god-like Hugo last night. With our top players match fit we are a top banana side, with key players injured or coming back from injury we are vunerable, understandable.
I am never too arsed about going out of cups, they are just a bonus and my favourite is the FA cup anyway, maybe with easier EL games we will be able to concentrate on this proper, non-tinpot cup. I think we might see some younger players being given a chance against CSKA as ... well, honestly, who gives a fuck now?
What we need mow is for our boys to mullah the bollocks off those nasty chavs at the weekend, then we will all be happy bunnies.
Rev John Ripsher
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I am for some reason unbeknown to me extremely angry about yet another wasted European adventure, all season long we yearn for a top 4 finish, then when we get one, a weekend game against Chelsea takes priority over what is for me the most important game of our season so far. We need to field our most full strength team in every CL game and yet we have not done this once so far. It is unfortunate that unless all of our 11 on field players are on form we will never progress, carrying several off form or not quite up to speed players in one game is a certain recipe for exclusion which we experienced last night.
And if we "progress" (ie get relegated) into the Europa League.......??????
And if we "progress" (ie get relegated) into the Europa League.......??????
Thfcire
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There's been a weird feeling about this cl campaign from the first min we kicked off in it ,it just didn't have same feeling of the cl campaign under harry.the players and slot of fans just couldn't get up for it .i don't know what that's down to nerves maybe but I think the players look over trained or have a Euro hangover.the euro hangover is a long shot (although a lot of pressure was put on English and Belgium players to perform well ) but the over trained has merit for me .we have look flat in a lot of games after starting games at a high pace in the league and we've been as flat as a witches tit in nearly all our cl games.throw in we're having to play inactive players to replace core players I think it's lead to where we are now for me
deejbah
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We had so many players who are either underdone, coming back from injury or close to burn out on the field last night, only a very few who you could say are at the optimal level of match fitness.
Style And Glory
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Agreed.
For me this CL campaign played out like the Europa of past years.
Just didn't have the energy or excitement that I felt it should have had.
Maybe it had something to do with the quality of the opposition ie we didn't draw any of the 'big glamour' clubs. Maybe it had something to do with the players that were put out. Maybe it has to do with MP prioritizing the EPL title over it (don't know if that is true). Maybe qualifying for the CL plus gaining the CL money was enough..
When HR took us through the group matches & into the knock out stages, there was a real buzz about it all along the way. When we finally lost to Real there was real disappointment but a real sense of pride too.
The strange thing about this one is that I don't seem to be so bothered about our exit. I don't feel anything. It all just seemed so 'meh'.
I don't know why.
What I do know is that I was going to take my son to the Leverkusen game at Wembley. If I had paid for flight/accommodation/tickets & was presented with that performance my feelings would probably be much different & I definitely would be bothered lol. So I sympathize with those that did.
Liam
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I've got a ticket for that game but wondering if I should bother spending all that money on a train to Wembley then staying overnight in Oxford and getting a train back to Manchester. Throw in beer money and the fact I'll be taking two unpaid days off work it's gonna cost me 400+ quid when I could just try and get a ticket for United away a few days later and only have to pay for the match ticket and walk to the match and back. Game will mean more now and save me about 350 quid. But I do have a ticket for Moscow sat here.
Thfcire
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It was a long season of our players last season which ultimately ended in dissapointment for them ,you can see that now with them commenting on how the chavs result effected them,then little break into a dissapointing euros and straight into what we know is very preseason with poch.we have to sometimes remember how young a lot of our squad is(I throw jannsen in here as well btw he's only had one season of top flight football and people are writing him off already he's fucking 22)
Havocc
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Perhaps the league game take priority because its more important financially to the club to qualify for the group stages of the competition each season, than it is to progress into the knockout stage.
Qualifying every season also brings in a higher quality of player (allegedly).
Qualifying for the knockout stages and failing to qualify for it the following season would be an issue for the people that run the club.
Now, I am not saying this is correct. But with the incoming debt of the new stadium, I can see why this may be the case for the people in charge
skiathospurs
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I dont think january windows are much except bargains or desperations,I expect a quiet window for us.
Don Diaz
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I think you and @Style And Glory make some good points. I was lucky enough to go to several of the games home and away first time round in the CL and again this time. Certainly the atmosphere is different, perhaps because the first time was 'new' and this time, although different manager and players it isn't. Certainly Wembley whilst magnificent when full of Yids lacks the noise and intimacy of WHL on a big European night and losing that first match after all the build up set us back, I don't know what it is.
Anyway what's done is done, Poch and the players will learn from this and hopefully next season will be better prepared. We've certInly had our fair share of injuries and disruptions this year from Euro's and pre season onwards with International breaks etc. I'm not looking for excuses, and we've managed reasonably well, remaining unbeaten, which is some feat all things considered. Perhaps in reality we've all had our expectation level raised again after last season and now we expect to be winning and scoring freely across the board, guess life and football isn't like that.
Let's hope Poch works a bit of magic and the lads turn up on Saturday evening.
Ps.
I've just got back having had a chat with Jermaine Jenas whilst waiting to get on the plane. Nice bloke.
birdonaball
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Finally got some time to post and got way too much to say and too little time to post 
I read through the thread and I’m really surprised at how well we’re all taking it- such contrast to the meltdown at that other place. That being said, I’m kind of sitting in between both camps. I’m peed off by what I saw last night, but I’m not about to chuck the entire team out to the firing squad either….well there was one or two of them last night I may feel the need to wave a gun in their face but I wouldn’t pull the trigger- honest
I’m just confused by the whole night. I can only speak about how I feel as a Spurs faithful so maybe my opinion is just way off base, but hey ho.
I thought the reason we worked our bollocks off last season to finish top 4 was for us to get into the Champions League. We get there, finally, after a 6 year wait and then we treat it like it’s an inconvenience.
Previous years I’ve watched fans bitch and moan about us being in the Europa cup, how it’s a rubbish competition and that we should be batting with the big boys. The time finally came and apparently the only people who got that memo was the fans ! Now it is completely possible that Levy and Poch have some kind of agreement that the PL this season is the top priority and everything else is allowed to fall by the way side….if that was the truth, then giving the fans a hint at there being loads of rotation in the UCL would have allowed us to take on board that this was never a high priority for us. Then expectations of fecking hope wouldn’t have risen, we wouldn’t have hoped we had a chance of progress from the group and that would have been that
For me, I feel slightly conned. I feel like I didn’t get the memo that the CL wasn’t as important to the club as the PL, and Wembley was just a cash-cow exercise. I don’t know if any of the above is actually true, but that’s how I feel. I got my ticket for CSKA, I’m reading on different forums that people think we should throw the game and finish bottom of the group so we can avoid the Europa League. I’m astounded that people are saying that. I don’t get that way of thinking, but that’s just me. Putting all our eggs in one basket is possibly why we are in this situation in the first place. We better put a decent team out against CSKA, finish 3rd and do bloody well in the Europa or I’m gonna get very pissy
Rant over.
Wembley is an issue, I don’t like the place, but that’s just me. It’s not WHL and I’m stubborn like that. I don’t buy the whole ‘the place is jinxed’ bullsh*t though. That’s not down to Wembley, that’s because of us playing poorly. Next season when EVERY home game will be there, what will be the excuse again- because we’ll get fecking relegated if we believe that rubbish. We need to make Wembley our home, we need to temporarily rename the ends (as they are at WHL) so when fans are buying tickets, they end up in the right place. We need to fill from the front backwards with cheap tickets and not from the top down as the proper spursy fans are being hoarded off to top tiers just so they can afford to go.
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I read through the thread and I’m really surprised at how well we’re all taking it- such contrast to the meltdown at that other place. That being said, I’m kind of sitting in between both camps. I’m peed off by what I saw last night, but I’m not about to chuck the entire team out to the firing squad either….well there was one or two of them last night I may feel the need to wave a gun in their face but I wouldn’t pull the trigger- honest
I’m just confused by the whole night. I can only speak about how I feel as a Spurs faithful so maybe my opinion is just way off base, but hey ho.
I thought the reason we worked our bollocks off last season to finish top 4 was for us to get into the Champions League. We get there, finally, after a 6 year wait and then we treat it like it’s an inconvenience.
Previous years I’ve watched fans bitch and moan about us being in the Europa cup, how it’s a rubbish competition and that we should be batting with the big boys. The time finally came and apparently the only people who got that memo was the fans ! Now it is completely possible that Levy and Poch have some kind of agreement that the PL this season is the top priority and everything else is allowed to fall by the way side….if that was the truth, then giving the fans a hint at there being loads of rotation in the UCL would have allowed us to take on board that this was never a high priority for us. Then expectations of fecking hope wouldn’t have risen, we wouldn’t have hoped we had a chance of progress from the group and that would have been that
For me, I feel slightly conned. I feel like I didn’t get the memo that the CL wasn’t as important to the club as the PL, and Wembley was just a cash-cow exercise. I don’t know if any of the above is actually true, but that’s how I feel. I got my ticket for CSKA, I’m reading on different forums that people think we should throw the game and finish bottom of the group so we can avoid the Europa League. I’m astounded that people are saying that. I don’t get that way of thinking, but that’s just me. Putting all our eggs in one basket is possibly why we are in this situation in the first place. We better put a decent team out against CSKA, finish 3rd and do bloody well in the Europa or I’m gonna get very pissy
Rant over.
Wembley is an issue, I don’t like the place, but that’s just me. It’s not WHL and I’m stubborn like that. I don’t buy the whole ‘the place is jinxed’ bullsh*t though. That’s not down to Wembley, that’s because of us playing poorly. Next season when EVERY home game will be there, what will be the excuse again- because we’ll get fecking relegated if we believe that rubbish. We need to make Wembley our home, we need to temporarily rename the ends (as they are at WHL) so when fans are buying tickets, they end up in the right place. We need to fill from the front backwards with cheap tickets and not from the top down as the proper spursy fans are being hoarded off to top tiers just so they can afford to go.
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Don Diaz
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Excellent post. I particularly liked I thought the reason we worked our bollocks off last season to finish top 4 was for us to get into the Champions League. We get there, finally, after a 6 year wait and then we treat it like it’s an inconvenience.Finally got some time to post and got way too much to say and too little time to post
I read through the thread and I’m really surprised at how well we’re all taking it- such contrast to the meltdown at that other place. That being said, I’m kind of sitting in between both camps. I’m peed off by what I saw last night, but I’m not about to chuck the entire team out to the firing squad either….well there was one or two of them last night I may feel the need to wave a gun in their face but I wouldn’t pull the trigger- honest
I’m just confused by the whole night. I can only speak about how I feel as a Spurs faithful so maybe my opinion is just way off base, but hey ho.
I thought the reason we worked our bollocks off last season to finish top 4 was for us to get into the Champions League. We get there, finally, after a 6 year wait and then we treat it like it’s an inconvenience.
Previous years I’ve watched fans bitch and moan about us being in the Europa cup, how it’s a rubbish competition and that we should be batting with the big boys. The time finally came and apparently the only people who got that memo was the fans ! Now it is completely possible that Levy and Poch have some kind of agreement that the PL this season is the top priority and everything else is allowed to fall by the way side….if that was the truth, then giving the fans a hint at there being loads of rotation in the UCL would have allowed us to take on board that this was never a high priority for us. Then expectations of fecking hope wouldn’t have risen, we wouldn’t have hoped we had a chance of progress from the group and that would have been that
For me, I feel slightly conned. I feel like I didn’t get the memo that the CL wasn’t as important to the club as the PL, and Wembley was just a cash-cow exercise. I don’t know if any of the above is actually true, but that’s how I feel. I got my ticket for CSKA, I’m reading on different forums that people think we should throw the game and finish bottom of the group so we can avoid the Europa League. I’m astounded that people are saying that. I don’t get that way of thinking, but that’s just me. Putting all our eggs in one basket is possibly why we are in this situation in the first place. We better put a decent team out against CSKA, finish 3rd and do bloody well in the Europa or I’m gonna get very pissy
Rant over.
Wembley is an issue, I don’t like the place, but that’s just me. It’s not WHL and I’m stubborn like that. I don’t buy the whole ‘the place is jinxed’ bullsh*t though. That’s not down to Wembley, that’s because of us playing poorly. Next season when EVERY home game will be there, what will be the excuse again- because we’ll get fecking relegated if we believe that rubbish. We need to make Wembley our home, we need to temporarily rename the ends (as they are at WHL) so when fans are buying tickets, they end up in the right place. We need to fill from the front backwards with cheap tickets and not from the top down as the proper spursy fans are being hoarded off to top tiers just so they can afford to go.
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However, I think the truth of the matter is ultimately that we just haven't played very well for whatever reason in most of the games and perhaps Leverkusen and Monaco, actual;ly were better than we as fans and possibly the club gave them credit for. We need to qualify and do it again next year and do it better.
birdonaball
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I never thought our group would be a walk through to be honest @Don Diaz, folks have short memories at what BL did to us last season. If I'm honest I thought BL would be top, and it was a straight fight between us and Monaco for second. That's what I thought would happen- I got that fecking wrong
There is something a bit funky about what’s going on with us. It feels like someone has taken a big old straw and sucked the confidence straight out of us. There’s a saying we use in training, ‘it’s easy when you’re winning, and its fecking hard when you’re not’. This team, if we’re being honest has never quite recovered from the ending of last season and from that point onwards it’s been one freefall after another. The England disaster was, well, exactly that and Belgium also were pretty humiliated, then we had pre season that wasn’t that great and then the season started….and then the injuries started. Oh the injuries…
I don’t think we’ve had a chance to play our super 11 from last year once this entire season never mind consistently. That’s why I can’t hammer the team. The confidence is missing, the passing game is off because people aren’t in their best positions. Dier needs moving back to CDM before we damage him psychologically for fecking good, he makes me feel nervous watching him, so I can only imagine how high the adrenaline is inside of him when he steps out. Dele was always gonna find it tougher in his second season. We’re piling the pressure on Kane and Eriksen is being hammered from all angles about every single thing he does.
There is something a bit funky about what’s going on with us. It feels like someone has taken a big old straw and sucked the confidence straight out of us. There’s a saying we use in training, ‘it’s easy when you’re winning, and its fecking hard when you’re not’. This team, if we’re being honest has never quite recovered from the ending of last season and from that point onwards it’s been one freefall after another. The England disaster was, well, exactly that and Belgium also were pretty humiliated, then we had pre season that wasn’t that great and then the season started….and then the injuries started. Oh the injuries…
I don’t think we’ve had a chance to play our super 11 from last year once this entire season never mind consistently. That’s why I can’t hammer the team. The confidence is missing, the passing game is off because people aren’t in their best positions. Dier needs moving back to CDM before we damage him psychologically for fecking good, he makes me feel nervous watching him, so I can only imagine how high the adrenaline is inside of him when he steps out. Dele was always gonna find it tougher in his second season. We’re piling the pressure on Kane and Eriksen is being hammered from all angles about every single thing he does.
Motspur Hotspur
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Could be though because Eriksen is hiding. He's totally off his game and I wouldn't mind as much but he doesn't exactly make up for it with physicality and challenging for the ball!
Someone questioned whether our boys are being over trained and I wonder if there is something to that. Last season I read various interviews where players said if you say you're tired you get extra training. Does Poch have the nouse to realise this and react accordingly? I don't know the answer, time will tell I guess.
EL I'm in two minds about as I'd like us to compete and focus on the league but it might be my only chancebof getting tickets before the old girl takes her final bow!
conor1
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Gutted tbh. Its worth bearing in mind that Leverkusen and Monaco are seasoned CL clubs.
Moscow as well for that matter. Good learning curve for the lads.
I actually should be more disappointed than I am but its odd, I not devastated by this. We weren't good enough for this from the outset but we remained competitive throughout. I'm rambling ffs its just difficult to put into words tbh, a strange apathy about the whole episode.
I will say this tho, I don't know about the rest of you but I witnessed the best save I've ever seen last night by Lloris. It reminded me of a save big Pat Jennings made against a guy called Tommy Craig(barcodes) many moons ago, very similar in technique but Craig was much further out.
Moscow as well for that matter. Good learning curve for the lads.
I actually should be more disappointed than I am but its odd, I not devastated by this. We weren't good enough for this from the outset but we remained competitive throughout. I'm rambling ffs its just difficult to put into words tbh, a strange apathy about the whole episode.
I will say this tho, I don't know about the rest of you but I witnessed the best save I've ever seen last night by Lloris. It reminded me of a save big Pat Jennings made against a guy called Tommy Craig(barcodes) many moons ago, very similar in technique but Craig was much further out.
Don Diaz
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Another excellent very perceptive post @birdonaball great read. The Hugo save was a proper Wow! moment last night in real time, as in what just happened? It was brilliant but I have to say they look more brilliant than they possibly are...because it's simply a reaction, sometimes they come off, sometimes they don't...anyone remember something very similar at WBA last season? How about the save from West Ham's keeper from the Dier header last Saturday? Some of Schmiecals for Man Utd back in the day we're pretty amazing too.
For a truly unbelieveable but non reaction 'save' then Hugo's save away at Leverkusen right on the line, was one of the best I have ever seen.
Thfcire
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I want to make it clear incase it's not coming across I'm fucking raging about last night and this cl campaign but I'm more confused by it because I don't know what caused it.i won't on the other hand jump in with the we were lucky last season and this is like avb all over again bollox that I've seen put across by knobheads on twitter,it's a 5 year plan we were ahead of it last season but so far we've taken I slight step back but loads to time left this season to fix it
conor1
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Take you point mate. I actually forgot about the save on the line vs Leverkusen!!! Safe to say tho, that on current form there's arguably no better keeper in the country, probably Europe.
Yid
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ITK..........!!!!!!!! !
J.spurs
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Honestly, I think in part Monaco and Leverkusen just matched up very well against us, and we weren't quite cagey enough to pull out results against them. I don't see it as part of some big trend.
skiathospurs
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Also dele and mousa havent been up to last season yet,our creative players have worked hard but goals scored,assists isnt as good as it needs to be for players like dele,eriksen,dembele,nacer chadli eh !!
I have no doubt their quality will win out in the end though.
skiathospurs
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Mate,no one is happy,but the old if you accept this bollox it contributes to the club failing,i never accept.Yeah be pissed off at times but some who think slagging the players is doing the club a favour need their heads testing.Its not like in over 40 years of going i havent seen plenty worse than this!!!
Don Diaz
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We raised the bar again last year, that's the underlying problem, everyone thinks we should be strolling around walking over teams easily, without looking at the bigger picture and context of this year so far. In terms of the league, we're about where we should be at present. need all the players back fit and healthy.
birdonaball
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Can someone clear something up for me please.
Did we ask to play at Wembley because we thought WHL wasn't able to cope with CL nights? Or did UEFA make us move ?
Did we ask to play at Wembley because we thought WHL wasn't able to cope with CL nights? Or did UEFA make us move ?
skiathospurs
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The club said its cos we didnt meet uefa requirements for safety,access&media,though I have seen no uefa statement and suspect it was convienient for THFC to try out wembley,earn more revenue,allow more fans to attend......
Poch has today said he hopes we stay at wembley if we are europa league,although he works for them,its not an official club announcement just his opinion I believe.And anyway we arent qualified yet!!