Premier League

[Style And Glory]

Another first for The Arse. Well done.

 

[ClemFandango]

 

[Yid]

How are Fleetwood town worth £2.8m...

That's the fucking mental part of this...

 

[USspur]

United are so bad

 

[jaxdermot]

United are so bad

yay

 

[Style And Glory]

Looks like Poch is replacing Carrick & ManU.

 

[ClemFandango]

Looks like Poch is replacing Carrick & ManU.

Good move for him. Still a bit sad that it looks like he'll never come back to finish what he started with us but I'll always wish him success, just as long as it's not against us in any way ..

 

[Yid]

Init mad that our club thinks they can do what Brighton did with just their old manager...

Brightons journey and entire club is based around obsessive data and absolute expertise in certain roles... It's a masterclass, stepping up what Southampton did the previous generation... That again we tried to replicate (steal).

Dezebri does do his thing his way and yes he needs his players to do it...

But when the entire club is focussed in finding AND growing those players, in exactly the form he needs them in, its going to be successful...

I don't see that we have that infrastructure under Dezebri and I don't know how we expect it will work anywhere near how Brighton have done and continue to do...

I would like to think we're building it or stealing it from them... But I think we're too arrogant to think that deeply about it and are happy to have one element of it and see if it sticks...

I admire what Brighton have done in an era where oligarchs own all our childhood clubs and use them as play things, cash cows or convenient tax deductable write offs or some shit like that...

 

[Havocc]

Poch won’t last at United if they continue operating in the same way. I wonder if he will make the change they need

 

[Yid]

Poch won’t last at United if they continue operating in the same way. I wonder if he will make the change they need

He won't go without knowing the gen upfront...

If it's just another payday for him, then great for him...

If they're going to change and allow him to build a team... Then we're fucked...

I personally think they're too far fucked and their players are too bigger bunch of cunts to turn around quick enough to see him achieve anything outside of saving them from relegation...

If I was him I'd string them along as far as I could then tell them to suck a dick at the 11th hour, and watch them burn...

 

[USspur]

They aint changing shit. He will be out in 1.5 years.

 

[Havocc]

Also, although we consider Poch a success at Spurs that success has not been replicated at any club since.

 

[Dave]

I struggle with the legacy of Poch tbh...on one hand he was here for 5 years, got us to a CL final and managed a side that played with flair and were exciting.
On the other, with the squad of players we had at that time and every one of them at their peak, 5 years with no silverware was criminal. And if I'm honest, getting into bed with the Chavs and now Utd has tainted it a little for me.
He's getting a bit like Benitez with Liverpool fans....until he went off and managed Chelsea, Newcastle and Everton!!
If it was like Kane, where he moved away and stayed there, I'd feel different but there you go....

 

[J.spurs]

It's a poisoned chalice but obviously to be a manager at this level you have to have the kind of self-belief that convinces yourself that you'll be the one to change it. He'll probably have gotten assurances that he'll have more control than some of these other stiffs they've trotted out, but like USSpur, I don't see it changing. The Glazers have no real incentive to change, and Ratcliffe seems a self-important idiot. No doubt Poch will get them out of the bottom three, but hard to see him having much success there.

As far as the US team goes, there's really no competitive incentive to stay much longer. No chance of winning silverware other than a confederation championship that very few people in this country even know exists.

 

[Yid]

They aint changing shit. He will be out in 1.5 years.

Fingers crossed he doesn't last that long... Because of relegation...

 

[BrooklynYid]

I think he's making a terrible mistake. The United squad are complete shit but the owners and directors think they're top notch. It a will be a massive rebuild and i don't see them cedeing decision making to him. He will struggle to get his players and employ his style. United cannot press. They can barely run. Hoping for a change of heart on his end.

 

[SpursStone]

They aint changing shit. He will be out in 1.5 years.

And walk away with £10m, not bad at all

 

[ClemFandango]

Apparently it's going to be a 2.5 year contract and will be announced after the international break.

RDZ has form for leaving his clubs after 2 years.

It's happening !!

 

[jaxdermot]

And walk away with £10m, not bad at all

10 Million is "not bad" .. good work if you earn the contact... Poch did like most of these coaches...

But I also think they all believe they will earn the contact, not be payed to go away... I think even Igor believed he would win us the League...

My worry is Poch does something akin to what he did here, get the players playing happy, enjoying the game and thriving. He's good at relaxing and letting players be themselves. Look at Dele here , I thought he'd be playing with Bale and co...

It would be a bummer to hate Him

 

[Havocc]

But we had decent players plus the greatest English player waiting in the wings, the United squad is poor all round. He needs 2 central defenders and a LB in asap, and another quality midfielder and strikers.

Tha quality of players available in Jan will not be good enough for what united needs. He will get the fit, kick out the bad eggs but unless there is a couple of gems in the acadamy, I think mid-table is the highest

 

[SpursStone]

So Poch confirmed.

Big Ange to the US?

 

[USspur]

For the neutral (and not counting the salary) which job is less attractive right now? USMNT or united

 

[J.spurs]

For the neutral (and not counting the salary) which job is less attractive right now? USMNT or united

Hard to ignore the salary obviously, but if you set it aside:

Man United are unlikely to win anything soon, but the only thing the US can conceivably win in the next four years is the Gold Cup which nobody cares about. I could see a world in which United compete for a Europa League or definitely the FA Cup. And anyway, guys like Poch would back themselves to turn it around, as far-fetched as that might seem to us.

The appeal of the US (along with the money, which isn't bad for a pretty ordinary national team) is the lack of pressure. Way different than it was 30 years ago or so, but outside a handful of beat writers and pundits, it's not like Poch is going to get grilled by the media for losing to Honduras or whatever. Most people don't even know who he is. The entitlement surrounding Man United as well as the stranglehold they have on punditry these days means the manager is always under the microscope.

So, competitively, United is the better job, even though they're a shambles. Plus as @SpursStone points out, the worst that happens is you get sacked and enjoy a massive severance check. But in terms of living a normal, comfortable life, the USMNT is probably the way to go.

 

[ClemFandango]

Some of our fanbase truly make me despair.

I've seen comments that he "whored himself out for every available job" and "he twerked for them while he was with us so i hope he fails".

I'm sure some of these kids want him to sit at home wearing a sack and praying every day until he comes back.

 

[Havocc]

United considered Poch 4 times in the past and overlooked him for Mourinho, Ole, Ten Hag and then Amorim.

 

[SpursStone]

For the neutral (and not counting the salary) which job is less attractive right now? USMNT or united

Less attractive would be the Utd job. Lot less pressure outside of the premier league compared to managing the US team

 

[SpursStone]

Some of our fanbase truly make me despair.

I've seen comments that he "whored himself out for every available job" and "he twerked for them while he was with us so i hope he fails".

I'm sure some of these kids want him to sit at home wearing a sack and praying every day until he comes back.

The job he's always wanted, interviewed for it whilst still working for us.

Never forget that.

 

[BrooklynYid]

The job he's always wanted, interviewed for it whilst still working for us.

Never forget that.

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll remind us!

 

[BrooklynYid]

And kinda weird that he's staying on for the Haiti match. As if anyone actually cares.

 

[USspur]

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll remind us!

Never go against @SpursStone. Guy holds a grudge