jaxdermot
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ew
jaxdermot
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also doesn't seem to do anything to change the game, like for like players .. fresher legs but what else
Yid
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What's the fucking plan... Seriously I don't see what our strategy is in the slightest... What are we trying to fucking do...?
Havocc
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Surely Johnson, Odebert and Tel is what you need
Yid
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This is a fucking Dyche team were getting schooled by...
Take that in for a fucking moment...
Sean fucking Dyche...
Useless useless cunts.
Take that in for a fucking moment...
Sean fucking Dyche...
Useless useless cunts.
Dave
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Pathetic performance.
Havocc
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I am now apathetic towards this team
jaxdermot
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Scared, heartless, BROKEN
Yid
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J.spurs
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This is 100% correct but also a big part of the problem. Three very limited players
BrooklynYid
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I was watching Fulham yesterday and it was jarring. They have such better players than we do. We have so little quality. How'd we get here? And does Patrici get a pass because he got us Vicario? Sorry, pass and Vicario together is a bit triggering. We were horrendous today. Our CL game was on Tuesday at home against against a weak side. Not like we had a tough turnaround. Starting to lose a bit of faith in Frank. The PL is already gone and we have chance in CL. Something great better take place in the January window.
Yid
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If January does blow our collective fucking socks off... Then I'm done for the season...
This squad is weak, flimsy and lacks real quality... Until that changes I won't waste my fucking time
This squad is weak, flimsy and lacks real quality... Until that changes I won't waste my fucking time
ClemFandango
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I turned it off about 10 minutes before half time and only checked the score about 5 minutes ago.
I shudder to think the score next weekend at home to the Dippers.
I shudder to think the score next weekend at home to the Dippers.
J.spurs
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There’s a lot wrong obviously but I think Vicario and Richy are the biggest issues.
Dave
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If you look at the "Spine"....
Vicario is simply not good enough...
Vdv and Romero are decent and can be a brilliant pairing.
Our central midfield is well below average with Bentancur being the main man..
And then Richy up top...he can't get hold of it, he doesn't have pace, he's a minor nuisance for defender's...
So out of 4 vital areas...only one imo has the quality to really compete at this level.
Vicario is simply not good enough...
Vdv and Romero are decent and can be a brilliant pairing.
Our central midfield is well below average with Bentancur being the main man..
And then Richy up top...he can't get hold of it, he doesn't have pace, he's a minor nuisance for defender's...
So out of 4 vital areas...only one imo has the quality to really compete at this level.
USspur
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didnt watch because im tapped out.
Style And Glory
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Just watched the highlights & the score. So glad I didn't get up for this.
The Cryptkeeper
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Didn’t bother given it was a 1am start on a school night here.
I value sleep over watching this pathetic lot at the moment.
I value sleep over watching this pathetic lot at the moment.
ClemFandango
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Stolen from Twatter ..
"The worst thing about Thomas Frank’s tenure? I simply don’t care.
Six months ago, we were Europa League winners, one of the happiest days of my life as a Spurs fan. I felt proud, connected, and alive with this club in a way that’s hard to put into words.
Now? I watch Tottenham and feel nothing. No anger, no excitement, just numbness. The football is dull and lifeless. The players seem uninterested and unlikeable.
I WANT to feel excited about Spurs on the weekend. I want to love the players, the manager, the club. But I can’t. And as a collective we need to demand better.
I grew up with Harry Redknapp’s Spurs: a team with identity, clear purpose, and football you could rally behind. Then Pochettino’s Spurs: the best squad we’ve had since the 60s, with world-class talent across the pitch, brilliant football, and a manager who genuinely loved the club.
I’ve seen what a good Tottenham team looks like, and that’s why I can’t accept the mediocrity we’re being served now. Yes, football has its ups and downs, but you could argue we haven’t had a consistently solid season since 2018-19.
The next manager MUST bring a clear identity and style. Even if it doesn’t always work, at least there’s something to hold onto. Right now, we have nothing."
"The worst thing about Thomas Frank’s tenure? I simply don’t care.
Six months ago, we were Europa League winners, one of the happiest days of my life as a Spurs fan. I felt proud, connected, and alive with this club in a way that’s hard to put into words.
Now? I watch Tottenham and feel nothing. No anger, no excitement, just numbness. The football is dull and lifeless. The players seem uninterested and unlikeable.
I WANT to feel excited about Spurs on the weekend. I want to love the players, the manager, the club. But I can’t. And as a collective we need to demand better.
I grew up with Harry Redknapp’s Spurs: a team with identity, clear purpose, and football you could rally behind. Then Pochettino’s Spurs: the best squad we’ve had since the 60s, with world-class talent across the pitch, brilliant football, and a manager who genuinely loved the club.
I’ve seen what a good Tottenham team looks like, and that’s why I can’t accept the mediocrity we’re being served now. Yes, football has its ups and downs, but you could argue we haven’t had a consistently solid season since 2018-19.
The next manager MUST bring a clear identity and style. Even if it doesn’t always work, at least there’s something to hold onto. Right now, we have nothing."
J.spurs
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I understand where this guy is coming from, but we had a manager with a clear identity and style, and we sacked him because we finished 17th. Yes we won a trophy, and that was brilliant--wouldn't trade it for anything--but we beat a succession of very poor teams (except for Frankfurt) to do it. The problem then is the problem now: most of our players are on the wrong side of the fine margin between being very good and being very ordinary at this level. Or, in the case of a lot of them, they have potential but just aren't there quite yet.
My big point is, "identity" and "style" are pretty much meaningless without the quality to back it up.
jaxdermot
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Don't forget about Levy
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For all of that mate, and you’re correct, we just got mugged by Nottingham Forest. And it’s far from a one-off.
Nottingham fucking Forest. Fuck me, most of us could at least get something resembling a tune out of them against any team managed by Sean fucking Dyche. But not this guy.
Our squad is not awesome but I’d still take it over theirs. This is fucking inexcusable and Frank has to go. I don’t want him supported with funds in January that he will just spunk up the wall. Get a fucking caretaker in for all I care, sign Pochettino to a contract dated the day after the World Cup final and buy the players he wants in January.
Frank is a lovely guy but he couldn’t run a pub raffle. It’s time to go.
Havocc
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For me, the lack of basic principles shows a lot of what the situation is in the dressing room.
I don’t think Frank has them yet,
I don’t think Frank has them yet,
Yid
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He has players who have been scouted with other coaches set ups and philosophies in mind. We're not just talking 1 previous manager, we're talking multiple previous managers and then add in players the club purchases in order to make money. He's on a fucking hiding to nothing...
The youth set ups are clearly dog shit as we haven't seen a kid come through since Kane... That's unfucking forgiveable and is as bigger concern as anything else right now.
The players themselves can see this whole club is a fucking joke ting and they are just collecting their wages until a better offer comes in or we're fucking stupid enough to hand them improved terms...
The lack of noise from anyone in authority about the bullshit we have witnessed over the last 5 years (if not longer) and about what we're trying to do to change it is deafening...
The mini Lewis's are sitting back, doing the same shit their old man did... Collecting their dividends and borrowing against the ever increasing value of their asset...
£100m in Jan is another sticking plaster on a team that needs a full top down rebuild... Frank ain't that guy, he just ain't and do I want more of the dross I'm being served currently... No thanks. I mean, it's fucking hapless, and boring... At least Ange went out in a blaze of inept glory every time we defended on the half way line...!!! Teams know we'll consistently fuck up and just wait us out... It's that fucking simple... Apply mild pressure until we capitulate... 3 points.
We can wang on about Cutti/Verts/Kulu/Bergval/Paulie/ and maybe Poro/Kudos/Udogi... But they ain't in it anymore than we fucking are right now... If a decent offer comes in they will go, and probably rightly so. All those players could achieve great things with the right club.
The rest... Total Meh... Bang average at best... In this system and how they're played... Could that change under a new manager... Maybe... Can we or those players actually wait for that... No.
J.spurs
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Frank will probably go, and maybe should go. He's a Levy signing, and it doesn't feel like he'll be successful. But Forest finished 10 spots above us last season with a manager we sacked at about this point in the year four years ago.
At some point we're going to have to stick with a manager and let him build the squad as he wants, because it's kind of a cycle: manager can't win with the previous guy's players, so we sack him rather than allowing him to bring in players he wants to work with.
Maybe Poch after the World Cup. I don't think he'd work miracles but he'd have the clout to actually impose a strategy on the club.
At some point we're going to have to stick with a manager and let him build the squad as he wants, because it's kind of a cycle: manager can't win with the previous guy's players, so we sack him rather than allowing him to bring in players he wants to work with.
Maybe Poch after the World Cup. I don't think he'd work miracles but he'd have the clout to actually impose a strategy on the club.
jaxdermot
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Man I love Poch... but does bringing an old coach back ever work?
Perhaps it would with him, he's the real special one, and we seemed to have tried a lot of other options, proven (asshole) winners.. crazy one tactic (fun) Mavericks... steady (boring) zen dudes...
I guess it's worth a shot
Yid
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Would he though mate...? I don't know if this is all cascading down from the top where things just ain't being handled in a way that is progressive...?
It doesn't feel like it's progressive even with a trophy in the cabinet...
I 100% agree with you that we're in a terrible cycle of false dawn's and it feels like it's been that way since Poch... Ange brought a bit back, but he was stupid and far too proud to admit when he got it wrong and grow with us... It's such a shame because other than him, there's been no one that has enough of a personality to manage this club. Jose and Conte don't count, they were only ever here for themselves and the inevitable pay off... Pair of cunts.
I personally feel like we currently don't have anything to really support... That's fucking harrowing to type, but I don't see a way for us to improve with these players, especially in the way they are being deployed under TF.
Look I don't know if there's a better way, I'm not a Premier League manager, but I do know that what I've witnessed since he came in has been devoid of passion and intent... It's been far from entertaining and the only "echoes of glory" we have, are from before his tenure where we skirted with relegation and won a trophy against farmers, milkmen and Man Utd...
This club needs to do a deep dive right from the top and set themselves up for a full, painful, long rebuild...
Sticking plasters won't do it anymore, we're in big trouble.