Finchbee
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I have sent an email
skiathospurs
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I will too,just giving my head a chance to settle first.
We have lost sight of being a club,a club is an organisation with members for whom the organisation is in place for and run for.That maybe a touch naive and utopian in this era,but are we merely a business or a football club?time to decide.
I would really like to know the investment costs of the NFL extras,massive basement extra works,retractable pitch,changed east "NFL" entrance,how much did this cost and how is the club going to pay off this investment,because seems to me football fans are paying for our club to court the NFL.Say it has cost £200m to NFL the stadium,20 games in 10 years are the club expecting to make £10m a match,and if it is a gamble worth taking for £200m,why didnt we take a financial gamble when Redknapp and pochettino (twice)have had chances of winning the league?Also do i really need a micro brewery,cheese room,heated seats,wifi stadium,60 bar/food retail outlets,if I am expected to pay towards these costs I would really like to know why when I wont use them or if this will pay back the cost of the stadium faster with less pain to myself.Thats fair isnt it??I am feeling that either the club is finally getting alan sugars wish to gentrify the club and remove the oiks,or we have taken the club to a place of extravagant oneupmanship.
I didnt even feel this butthurt as a teenager when we were relegated,club has got this massively wrong,alienate your members at your peril.This was a watershed moment in our history,i am tempted to quote the general here,oh what the fuck lets do it "there used to be a football club over there".
Don Diaz
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I understand your sentiment and agree with the underlying rationale of the 'club' and relationship with the fans, but you also have to move on and build for the future. You don't for instance want to be driving around in an old Ford Cortina, with 4* petrol and a heater and radio that doesn't work, when your competition all have modern cars. The point that has been lost here, is that you can build a modern stadium and still charge accordingly for facilities/view/comfort. The North & South stand doesn't need micro breweries and cheese rooms. Guinness, Lager and Cider will suffice, with crisps, hot dogs, burgers, pies and sausage rolls (inc veggie options) the improvement will be in space, quality and speed of service.
I've sat (quietly) in the Upper tier at the North end of the Emirates amongst the filth for the 1-1 draw last year. The view was decent, but the facilities outside were no better than Wembley. They didn't really need to be and in any case ours will be better. So by all means build a 60foot long bar, good, but charge the right price for the fans in that area. It will be very interesting to see which areas become popular if you can walk round the whole stadium.
I applaud the new stadium, the detail and the future of Spurs in being one of Europe's top clubs again. The NFL deal I'm sure was purely financial, but then we have a history of 'firsts' I don't know how that will work out, I'm guessing Levy signs a world record Stadium naming rights deal with a US conglomerate?
But in all of this the Burkinshaw comment is a good one, the relationship with the fans can't be bought and if football becomes like tennis, with people arriving to their seats 10 minutes late and similarly after half time and leaving 10 minutes early with chants piped through the speakers, because none of the fans who used to provide all the atmosphere can afford or want to go anymore, then for me it wasn't worth it.
European nights under the lights at White Hart Lane will become another TV dinner on the sofa.
C
corroded
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Not aware of any negative response? ... probably because anything that sounds like a complaint goes right into pre-filter on their email server 
I've not had a response from either of my emails to the club on the matter.
I've not had a response from either of my emails to the club on the matter.
Finchbee
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We will have the best if not one of the best stadiums in Europe, we have 40 odd sts at Wembley and really created a spursy feel, i just think the club could have done better a 5-10% increase was acceptable and allocation based on Wembley may have been an idea, you cannot please everyone but seems to be more disappointed people than was necessary
Don Diaz
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I can tell you for a fact that the club are aware and track many individuals and supporter/news sites across the internet. They also have a strong conduit through to the fans via THST and people like Kat law and Martin Cloake. The y are aware for example of the excellent article posted by @skiathospurs.Not aware of any negative response? ... probably because anything that sounds like a complaint goes right into pre-filter on their email server
I've not had a response from either of my emails to the club on the matter.
The issue is how bothered are they? It seems that for every disgruntled fan there's at least 1 that's thinking 'fine, what did you expect? If you can't afford it, don't go' Ultimately that might be the sentiment that wins the day. It's a bit like the Olympic ticket prices and other similar scenario's everyone is up in arms initially then the furore dies down all the tickets get sold and things move on.
The bit I really don't like is - 'If you can't afford it, don't go' .That is just plain wrong. It isn't buying a new telly, you can buy a smaller one, with fewer gadgets, same goes for car, a holiday, a house, a phone, even a tin of beans or a loaf of bread. What you can't do with a football team, that you have supported your entire life, through thick and thin, is just be told 'you can't afford us anymore', go and support Reading, they have a nice stadium and season tickets are much cheaper. That is a disgraceful attitude and shows a complete lack of understanding of thousands of die hard, loyal fans. The ones that go to Stoke on a cold Tuesday night, or Sunderland on a Sunday. Time will tell but I fear something similar to the soulless place down the road in a few years time. Our fanbase, soul and heart was one of our great strengths, if we lose that Sir Bill would want no part of it.
Dorset
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They probably havent got that new-fangled Google thing, I told her to look for 'tottenham season tickets' and she told me there are lots of grumpy folks. Maybe someone should tell Levy about Google, she knows everything! But, as he is a cunt, did I mention that? He probably thinks he knows more than Google.Not aware of any negative response? ... probably because anything that sounds like a complaint goes right into pre-filter on their email server
I've not had a response from either of my emails to the club on the matter.
It is so completely, blindingly obvious that Levy does not give a flying fuck about the traditional fans, he wants a 'football experience' for nice, respectable people when most of us just want to experience football. A seat and not too disgusting bogs is all I want when I got to football, I know some of you don't even want a seat but some of us old cunts can't stand up for 90 minutes. He can poke his flash bars and posh food places right up his bumhole, a few pints in a proper pub and a burger from the colonel man will do me nicely.
J.spurs
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What's really mind-blowing about this is that stadium revenue is significant, but not anywhere make-or-break for clubs. The TV deals are where the real money comes from, so why spoil all the excitement and good will that's been built up over the last few years with this? I never saw any of you suggest that ticket prices wouldn't go up some, but this is not only unjust, but really stupid from the club in terms of PR.
Motspur Hotspur
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It would appear we've set some 'Pool fans against each other (see comments at the bottom of the article),nice to know there's support from other Clubs (well, bloggers of other Clubs!) anyway.
https://www.thisisanfield.com/2018/...brand-and-why-clubs-must-lower-ticket-prices/
https://www.thisisanfield.com/2018/...brand-and-why-clubs-must-lower-ticket-prices/
Don Diaz
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Hallelujah nail on head.
Finchbee
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Finchbee
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Don Diaz
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Here's a radical thought..........since it matters enormously to the players (see Vincent Kompany's tweet) why don't our 20 highest paid players donate £10,000 each (over 12 months) to the 200 most needy means tested fans. Spurs d a huge amount through their foundation, this would see the players contribute as well. That would be 0.3% of a £65k a week players salary and 1% of a player on £20k a week.
C'mon lads, you know that saying about giving something back? Brilliant opportunity
C'mon lads, you know that saying about giving something back? Brilliant opportunity
skiathospurs
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fans who have contacted the Club individually, have been told is that there is no like-for-like seat comparison anywhere within the new stadium as spectators will have the benefit of improved facilities compared to the old White Hart Lane. This leads the Club to reject the view that Season Ticket prices have risen at all.
THFC are going full retard here.
THFC are going full retard here.
Don Diaz
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if that is the best they can come out with it's just embarrassing, which is a great shame. It's taken the shine off the build which is at a brilliant phase at present. The thing that has annoyed me the most is that it would have been so simple to avoid all of this with more thought out tiered pricing. And what's worse, I got an email the other day, offering me another tranche of 'premier seats' on the half way line of the east Lower, so the club are still at it. It beggars belief.
J.spurs
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Yes, that is literally one of the dumbest things I think I've ever read that wasn't a Trump tweet. It speaks to your point about the NFL infrastructure and the one by @Dorset about the "football experience." What are they thinking?
C
corroded
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The thing is, I CAN afford it, but I feel like I'm being ripped off.
I don't like being ripped off.
skiathospurs
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Its not the prices (wont affect me),its not the phasing with people having to wait for their kids to be able to sit with them (wont affect me),its not putting "club wembley" in the middle of what is meant to be the home end,its not nfl,cheeses or the build cost, its the reverting to arrogance,"I own this and I will do what I want",just like lord fucking shite electrical goods was like.Sorry but this isnt american franchise business,we are 135 yrs old institution,created for members,still frequented by members,you can own "the clubhouse",but fucked if you own the members.Levy has got 1 year to win something big,not allow any player to leave for higher ground (or wages!) and bring in better talent because the upswelling of opinion is becoming very anti enic/Levy,and once that starts not a chance in hell of any success as the club publically rips into itself.There will be at most the new season honeymoon period,then it will start.He demands £1500 a seat,these people will demand trophies or the boards head.
skiathospurs
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exactly !!!!!
Don Diaz
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They're not thinking. We'd be pissing ourselves laughing if this were any other club
Don Diaz
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Nail on head part 2.
C
corroded
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You know, I've got one of the cheaper tier of tickets at Wembley.
Not once have I thought... this view is shit.
Fuck me, even back in White Hart Lane I never thought the view was shit, except when you got pillar fucked by the Shelf.
Put a pillar up and I'll pay £500 less if you want
Motspur Hotspur
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THIS. It'll be Sugar 'I want my Tottenham back' all over again, Levy needs to stop and take a look or it could turn ugly.
Dorset
The Voice Of Reason
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It could have come from the orange looney couldn't it? It is the most ridiculous thing I have heard since someone said the UK would be better off after Brexit. Let's just ignore reality and make shit up! Nobody cares these days if what they are saying is fact or fantasy,
Daniel Levy: Everybody is happy, there can't been any increases because its all new, nobody has complained about the prices, punters want long bars and contactless payment and price isn't a big factor
Donald Trump: Everybody wants to work for me, I solved the North Korean crisis, the US has a trade deficit with Canada, there are good and bad people on both sides., trade wars are good and easy to win.
Are these two blokes related?
BrooklynYid
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Nah mate. One is bald and the other has a fox carcass stuck on his skull. No way they're related.
Don Diaz
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You say that but have you ever seen them photographed side by side....No? well there's the proof then....
skiathospurs
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Yid
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How can they get this so so wrong...
Attendance over fans...
Money over passion...
Attendance over fans...
Money over passion...
BrooklynYid
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Well that escalated quickly. I don't get the facilities argument. Sure, more bathrooms are great but beyond that who gives a whoot? Do restaurants and bars really matter? Really no time for it. Lineker's tweet is spot on.
Gary Lineker Retweeted THST
We’re seeing more and more empty seats at grounds. Given the vast sums received from TV rights, ticket prices should be falling not rising. The game needs full stadiums otherwise its appeal will slowly decline, even to rights holders. Avarice will only damage the game and clubs.
Gary Lineker Retweeted THST
We’re seeing more and more empty seats at grounds. Given the vast sums received from TV rights, ticket prices should be falling not rising. The game needs full stadiums otherwise its appeal will slowly decline, even to rights holders. Avarice will only damage the game and clubs.
J.spurs
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They need to address it sharpish, or this will get absolutely toxic.