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Dorset

Dorset

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Yes, why did I get involved in this thread....
It's a good thread. Some people get a bit carried away and get all belligerent but I'm here to restore sanity and calmness, unless I'm feeling a bit uppity then I might go off on one, hard to believe I know that someone as nice as me could be abusive I know, but nobody cares - or should care if I go a bit full mental.
 
Dorset

Dorset

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Neil Warnock proving yet again what a total cunt he is : 'To hell with the rest of the world'
Cardiff City's manager said "we'll be far better out of the bloody thing" as he aired his opinion on the European Union. What a cunt. Typical Little Englander.
 
Dorset

Dorset

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Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show, after he was asked if the plot was real, that there was a “growing risk” that Parliament could frustrate Brexit.

Does the latest in a lineup of incompetent government Brexit ministers know how the democratic system of government works in the UK? Parliament can not 'frustrate' anything, we have a representative system and if those representatives decide by voting for or against Brexit then THAT is what taking back control means. Theresa fucking May and her cabinet do not even have a fucking majority, if they are allowed to overrule Parliament then that really would be a betrayal of democracy, not thwarting the insane will of 37% of the electorate.
 
The Cryptkeeper

The Cryptkeeper

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You sound like you have been properly groomed, utterly brainwashed. You are the one promoting hatred on here. Can't see it? Not bothered, OK?

Oh, the irony.

Is there any more Youtube commentary from known fascists that you’d like to subject us to?

You are a hypocrite.
 
Yid

Yid

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Oh, the irony.

Is there any more Youtube commentary from known fascists that you’d like to subject us to?

You are a hypocrite.
And it all leads back to people having preconceived agendas. People who are not prepared to take their blinkers off long enough to expose themselves to alternative views that challenge their beliefs and agendas. Beliefs and agendas that are entrenched in fear. People who reject facts that challenge their beliefs and are not brave enough to admit they may have got it wrong. Not brave enough to even admit it to themselves.

It's funny how these cunts seem to be baiting people into acting in a certain way. It funny how these people have used politics to express their bigoted views against foreigners.

In fact is so far from funny it's a fucking embarrassment.
 
C

corroded

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I could take one person on a forum dialing the rhetoric up to eleven, but considering it seems pretty common place to dehumanise opposition.

That's how you things escalate to actual civil wars. In my opinion you're actually part of the problem.

Getting uppity that freedom of movement might go away as an attack on your family? That's so unbelievably privileged a point of contention when there's families who might have nothing to lose than to gamble on Brexit.

Just saying, plenty of Chinese students in European universities. Last I checked, China wasn't in the EU. I believe they have visas.

It's a daft argument, the monetary one fine... I might even agree. Honestly though escalation of rhetoric is not helping. If we cancelled Brexit tomorrow do you think this would all go away? We need to find a way to talk to one another without getting angry, using slurs and halting debate.... we have to live together.

I'm sure you like venting... But end of the day calling someone a cunt, a bigot, a racist or whatever never changed anyone's mind. Usually gets their heckles up. You'd have about the same success rate wandering the streets shouting at dogs, and licking windows

The extreme polarisation in politics is a serious problem. Please stop making it worse.
 
Dorset

Dorset

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I could take one person on a forum dialing the rhetoric up to eleven, but considering it seems pretty common place to dehumanise opposition.

That's how you things escalate to actual civil wars. In my opinion you're actually part of the problem.

Getting uppity that freedom of movement might go away as an attack on your family? That's so unbelievably privileged a point of contention when there's families who might have nothing to lose than to gamble on Brexit.

Just saying, plenty of Chinese students in European universities. Last I checked, China wasn't in the EU. I believe they have visas.

It's a daft argument, the monetary one fine... I might even agree. Honestly though escalation of rhetoric is not helping. If we cancelled Brexit tomorrow do you think this would all go away? We need to find a way to talk to one another without getting angry, using slurs and halting debate.... we have to live together.

I'm sure you like venting... But end of the day calling someone a cunt, a bigot, a racist or whatever never changed anyone's mind. Usually gets their heckles up. You'd have about the same success rate wandering the streets shouting at dogs, and licking windows

The extreme polarisation in politics is a serious problem. Please stop making it worse.
Appeasement eh? Yeah that always works doesn't it? Bollocks. You debate with these cunts as much as you like, I will not, ever. I do consider taking away the freedom of movement away from my grandchildren and damaging their future economic prospects an attack on my family and I have no wish to 'live together' with them, debate with them or piss on them if they are on fire.

Of course calling cunts racist and bigots by what I think they are - cunts, racists and bigots will not change their minds, nothing will, the extreme polarisation you talk of is a fact, ignoring it or talking nicely will not make it go away. Accepting hatred, racism and facism as valid political viewpoints and debating with supporters of hate politics is unacceptable to me.
 
Dorset

Dorset

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Liam Fox told the BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, “I don’t regard no deal as national suicide.” He added that a no deal is "survivable".

So now the magical, fantastic no deal, just tell them to fuck off and we'll keep the money we actually owe and all the new non-existant trading partners will be cool dealing with a country who doesn't pay its debts, Brexit- is now 'survivable'. You could not make this stuff up, a huge chunk of the country actually think that 'survivable' is better than the current sweet, sweet arrangement.
 
Dorset

Dorset

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It would be nice to be as clever as Stephen Fry, looking at how right wing evil (my word) in the US and UK is very similar, facts about Brexit, immigration, crime, terrorism and stuff the the rabid right will hate because they are true.

 
skiathospurs

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just to add a bit of levity (not that I have read this thread for months&months)

 
Havocc

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Not sure how anyone thinks we can get a better deal than the one we already have by not being in the EU. Even Levy couldn’t negotiate a good deal!!

Remove emotions and read the impact of what it will have. I’m no expert but the future will be very hard if we don’t not stop this clusterfuck.

Somebody posted today how Norton have agreed to sell bikes to China which creates 200 jobs in the U.K. and how brexit will be a success. Completely ignores the number of car industry jobs that will go if we trade under WTO.

Also, what do we have which is not already produced by the other non-EU nations. Everything is fucking made in China, and US will end up being chlorine fed chicken and MAGA hats. It’s not like our land is rich in rare minerals and our steel industry died out years ok

We are stock piling medication, people WILL struggle to get medication. I work in the pharma industry and it’s major panic at the moment. U.K. depots to EU depot shipments and vice versa WILL not be able to clear customs quicker than the demand. Imagine your loved one, not getting their chemo treatment or a life saving operation delayed because no med is available. This will happen.

There is NO happy ending to this.

There is NO benefit, and I will argue the toss with anyone who thinks otherwise.
 
Yid

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Not sure how anyone thinks we can get a better deal than the one we already have by not being in the EU. Even Levy couldn’t negotiate a good deal!!

Remove emotions and read the impact of what it will have. I’m no expert but the future will be very hard if we don’t not stop this clusterfuck.

Somebody posted today how Norton have agreed to sell bikes to China which creates 200 jobs in the U.K. and how brexit will be a success. Completely ignores the number of car industry jobs that will go if we trade under WTO.

Also, what do we have which is not already produced by the other non-EU nations. Everything is fucking made in China, and US will end up being chlorine fed chicken and MAGA hats. It’s not like our land is rich in rare minerals and our steel industry died out years ok

We are stock piling medication, people WILL struggle to get medication. I work in the pharma industry and it’s major panic at the moment. U.K. depots to EU depot shipments and vice versa WILL not be able to clear customs quicker than the demand. Imagine your loved one, not getting their chemo treatment or a life saving operation delayed because no med is available. This will happen.

There is NO happy ending to this.

There is NO benefit, and I will argue the toss with anyone who thinks otherwise.
You're mad, you're a lunatic, you're talking bollocks, you're mentally ill, you're lying...

We'll have blue passports, less brown people, more control, less Muslims, more fish, more unicorns....

The old great Britain back with good old typhoid, diphtheria and rickets ....

The NHS will have 350 million every week spent on it so it will be great to watch those lovely American chaps who plan to privatise it drive away in their solid gold Hummers...

I'm sure I heard they were thinking of digging up Churchills remains to run the country again. He'd be a shoe in for PM right now I reckon and we could all make union jacks out of road kill and grass to wave at one another... as entertainment.

You are so pessimistic.
 
Dorset

Dorset

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OK, I 'm going to have a go this not calling people nasty names stuff, it will be hard, but let's give it a try.

I am imagining I am a patriotic Brexit supporter, I believe that the UK will thrive on its own, I am very happy that the government of the UK who I trust to be my representative will use the control it has taken back to do the best it can for the benefit of the UK and the rest of the world, because I of course care about the rest of the planet. I am imagining that the new border control we have will protect us from the bad people and I am also believing that our current border control is non-existent and dastardly folks are pouring in by the minute. Now I am believing that trading under WTO rules will restore our lost sovereignty and get us much better trading terms terms with all those other countries we are currently not able to trade with - a hard task getting my head round this bit of make-believe, but I am trying.

OK, so everything will be fine. But, as a rational, sensible Brexiter I am thinking to myself "There is less than three months to get all this sorted, I am not going to be drawn into the blame game, it does not matter. There is no way that all those laws, all those trade deals, all the logistics of getting food, medicine and Lego into the country can be resolved in less than three months - so I think, as a sensible, caring, patriotic (but rest of the world loving) Brexiter, Article 50 must at the very least be extended until the issues have been sorted out".

Fantasy of course, because a proper Brexiter would be miffed if anyone even suggested delaying our exit and I would be snubbed and even called those nasty names I have not used in this post.
 
Dorset

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Flipping blimey! Since I wrote that nice post, the pound has gone up by a quarter of one percent! The markets are listening to me, maybe I will be able make the huge payment I need to make at the end of next week! I am going to be much more positive from now on.

Oh no, it's slipped back a bit now. I have been holding my nerve for weeks but exchanged a third of the money yesterday after chatting with my currency dealer. Weird that, having a currency trading dealer, I've never done anything like that before, I used to think I was clever and go my own way, resulting in losing practically everything we had back in the 90's - oh well, we had to start again and it's taken a long time (and the death of my mum and Mrs D's dad to bung us a few quid of inheritance) to get back into the black.

I believe in unicorns, I believe in unicorns, I believe in unicorns! Yay it worked! A 0.002% increase!

Tonight's vote will be interesting. I think Sterling will move. How much, which way and for how long nobody knows. None of those so-called experts know, half of them are predicting gloom, half are going for glory, just like Brexit. Where is Paul the octopus when you need him? Will May lose by 100, 200, more votes?

Bollocks the pound just lost that 0.002% ! I believe in Mrs May, her deal is smashing. ... Nope, didn't work, that was stretching imagination too far, a deal that is hated by Leavers, Remainers and most of the MPS ain't going to fly is it?
 
Dorset

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You're mad, you're a lunatic, you're talking bollocks, you're mentally ill, you're lying...

We'll have blue passports, less brown people, more control, less Muslims, more fish, more unicorns....

The old great Britain back with good old typhoid, diphtheria and rickets ....

The NHS will have 350 million every week spent on it so it will be great to watch those lovely American chaps who plan to privatise it drive away in their solid gold Hummers...

I'm sure I heard they were thinking of digging up Churchills remains to run the country again. He'd be a shoe in for PM right now I reckon and we could all make union jacks out of road kill and grass to wave at one another... as entertainment.

You are so pessimistic.
The old Great Britain..... I had to laugh last night, they were interviewing some folks and a young girl, probably 20 years old or less said she thought Brexit would be great because Britain could go back to how it used to be, lots of small businesses, higher wages, a better NHS etc. If only time travel were possible, she could go back to those 'good old days' and see what they were actually like.
 
Dorset

Dorset

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Oi Brexiters! I know you're angry that leaving day might be delayed, but if you want us too jump off the cliff let's make sure we have enough time to buy a parachute eh?
 
Havocc

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TBH, if the remain campaign wrote on a bus (it would need to be a long one, perhaps a bendy bus) the following;

"No English football team would be able to compete in the Europa League or champions league and the national team would be excluded from the Euros"

I think remain would have won by a landslide
 
Dorset

Dorset

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Good old Betty Boothroyd! It seems that only current Speakers of the HoC and ex-Speakers are talking much sense these days.

She told parliament: “I urge backbenchers in the Commons to reject the pretences of ministers who say — I quote Dr Fox, the International Trade Secretary — that a second referendum would put us in, “unprecedented territory with unknown consequences.

“We have been wandering in the wilderness since Mrs May lost her majority in the election. I wonder how high Dr Fox was flying when he dreamed that one up. In my book, if a democracy cannot be allowed to change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy.


https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/to...-johnson-liam-fox-and-jeremy-corbyn-1-5851753
 
Dorset

Dorset

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Oh that Treeza May woman is funny. She said yesterday that the letters she has received from the EU saying they ' don't wish to see the backstop entered into' (i expect she will find another name for backstop in the next 3 days following he massive loss tonight) - carried 'legal force'. Pull the other one Mrs May. Cripes missus even the stupidest of the stupid can see that is not true. She has succeeded in hunting the country in is rejecting of her rotten deal.
 
Yid

Yid

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So the outcome of tonight's vote is prety nailed on....

What next. Does she resign, does Corbyn motion a no confidence vote against her and the government, does she go back to the EU crying and pleading for help in a ridiculously weak position... or does she say fuck it and plough forward with no deal preparations?

All those options are bullshit and will hurt our country. A real question to the leave brethren.... did you vote for any of that?
 
Dorset

Dorset

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So the outcome of tonight's vote is prety nailed on....

What next. Does she resign, does Corbyn motion a no confidence vote against her and the government, does she go back to the EU crying and pleading for help in a ridiculously weak position... or does she say fuck it and plough forward with no deal preparations?

All those options are bullshit and will hurt our country. A real question to the leave brethren.... did you vote for any of that?
Who knows? I can't see a Corbyn no confidence motion resulting in an improvement, other than maybe a general election, which I don't think he can win - he's less popular than May! How the feck is that possible? The worst government in the history of our country is 6 points ahead in the polls of Labour, If he stood down and let Kier Starmer or Yvette Cooper take over then I think a landslide victory would be nailed on, but like May I think he feels he has some sort of mission from God, the people, Sooty and Sweep tor whoever o bring forth the glory of Brexit. The two options I see are we are fucked or buggered.
 
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Agreed. His status as leader was solidified when he was challenged and won the leadership contest I think early last year (may have been 2017).

A young progressive leader of the conservatives who installs a fresh faces keen opposition government would smash the Tories out of the water in a GE, but there doesn't seem to be any appetite for a Labour refresh.

No deal is looming ever fucking closer.

Bring on the bunting.
 
Don Diaz

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The old Great Britain..... I had to laugh last night, they were interviewing some folks and a young girl, probably 20 years old or less said she thought Brexit would be great because Britain could go back to how it used to be, lots of small businesses, higher wages, a better NHS etc. If only time travel were possible, she could go back to those 'good old days' and see what they were actually like.
In the good old days, we actually called for immigrants from the Commonwealth to come and help our poor little island to grow. They even sent boats for them like the Windrush. People have been flocking here ever since, helping our country to diversify and grow and they have been welcome. Even the ones we have subsequently treated like shit, like some of those that came on the Windrush.

Now some people who want to leave the EU would argue that it's these immigrants that are simply living off the state, taking council houses, filling doctors waiting rooms, and using up all the school places. The problem is that it isn't them. There's a few, I'm not denying it, but there are a lot more of their cherished Little Englanders, skiving off the state and expecting everyone to do them a favour than immigrants. The majority of Immigrants are here, working, many in poor conditions, on low wages with zero hours contracts and still paying tax. There are hundreds of your Brexit voting people not willing to work under those circumstances, so the hit on our Service industries, which have been mentioned earlier in this thread and the NHS infrastructure is going to be enormous. Note: The NHS is not just doctors and nurses and you ain't getting that £350m a week either.

These are the percentages of White, Black and Asian in the UK.

White British 82.9%,
Other white 4.2%
Black/African/Caribbean/black British 3%,
Asian/Asian British: Indian 2.3%,
Asian/Asian British: Pakistani 1.9%,
mixed 2%,
other 3.7%

Religions - Christian (includes Anglican, Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist) 59.5%,
Muslim 4.4%,
Hindu 1.3%,
other 2%,
unspecified 7.2%,
none 25.7%

Source: World factbook, updated January 2018

Farage galvanised all these xenophobic fears - 'you don't want the Romanians living next to you, do you' and then lied about finances because no one checked the rebates. Since then people have just dusted off their 2nd world war Union jacks without checking any facts.

Honestly guys do yourself a favour, read some of the benefits of being in the EU, you'll be shocked and really should re-appraise your position. Please don't be silly and say they're all terrorists and Brexit will solve that, either, you know that neither of those statements are true.
 
Yid

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Honestly guys do yourself a favour, read some of the benefits of being in the EU, you'll be shocked and really should re-appraise your position. Please don't be silly and say they're all terrorists and Brexit will solve that, either, you know that neither of those statements are true.
That would involve reading outside of the Daily Mail and the EDL spam chains that propagate the nonsense.

It would also mean facing hard facts and truths that challenge their unconscious (sometimes concious) bias.

It would mean admitting they were wrong, that they have been gullible and lied to, and that in spite if their vitriolic pseudo patriotism they are actually damaging the country that they pupport to love.

People won't admit they were wrong. Peopel don't like to admit they have been stupid. People would rather bury their heads in the sand and keep their stupidity hidden.

Peopel are fucking cowards.
 
Don Diaz

Don Diaz

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People won't admit they were wrong. Peopel don't like to admit they have been stupid. People would rather bury their heads in the sand and keep their stupidity hidden.
Ha ha I end up having to do it quite a lot!! (even if I really know it's someone else's fault)
 
C

corroded

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There is no way Corbyn wants to win an election before Brexit. I don't see him tabling no confidence votes. He's been oddly quiet through most of the process, though started complaining a bit more lately to add to the pile on... if he wins, would stop Brexit? He'd piss off a lot of labour voting areas if that were the case. The poison chalice claims another idiot.

He wants to win an election after May has murdered her political career, by doing anything. Any form of actual decision, be it hard, soft or halted. Realistically he's hoping this vote gets through, and he'll win the next election on it. What he doesn't want is May dithering any longer, the vote not passing and somewhat being forced to call a vote of no confidence and actually winning before Brexit is resolved.

Then he's got to make the decision that'll piss off so many people he'll not win the following election.

Though, let's not kid ourselves, whatever the outcome this one isn't resolved because whomever doesn't get what they'll want will complain forever about it... we're basically the European Union equivalent of Catalonia at this stage.

Might as well settle in for the ride. It's going to be shit.
 
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Dorset

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Knowing Mrs May, tonight will not be the end of it, she will try a few more times, hoping to wear down the opposition, she might even succeed if enough of them lose the will to live. The fog-horning Cox said this morning, along with his meaningless, slogans and empty rhetoric for the Mail readers, that if she loses she will come back again with basically the same plan labelled as Plan B. It's going to run and run this one.
 
Yid

Yid

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Wow..... lost by the largest majority since 1920.... and Corbyn tables a no confidence vote immediately to be debated tomorrow.

The waves are just starting... this boat is gonna rock like fuck now.

Tories (Matt Hancock) now sating they have no ready made plan B available but they are just going to start listening to the house of commons (haven't done it for 2 years) and then re-open the negotiations with Europe (who have said have finished negitiating).

Fucking lunatics
 
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corroded

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Corbyns hand been forced to table that motion... last thing he wanted.
 
Dorset

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Wow! Exactly what everybody has been expecting to happen since the evil woman postponed the vote happened. Who would have thought it? Everyone.

It was a larger defeat than most people thought but it was always going to be right old thumping.

The no confidence motion seems a bit pointless as the Tory party will not vote against itself, the DUP won't turn on the government, so it's just a bit more time wasting, another day in Parliament lost. Like @Yid said, two years of not listening to Parliament and now they are going to - fucking evil lunatics.

I am sick of all this talk of betraying the 37% who voted for Brexit, what about the 63% who did not? The health secretary saying that the Tories would do what is best for the future of the country is obviously bollocks because that would quite obviously be to stay in the EU.
 
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