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Glenjamin

Glenjamin

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The DUP are now running the UK while you're running through fields of Wheat.

Scary prospect! And a rather bizarre turn of events considering Jeremy Corbyn got hit hard for his ties with paramilitaries.
 
Don Diaz

Don Diaz

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Scary prospect! And a rather bizarre turn of events considering Jeremy Corbyn got hit hard for his ties with paramilitaries.

Things are quickly forgotten in the world of politics.....they don't really care about us voters you know....

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Havocc

Havocc

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DUP MPs
Jeffrey Donaldson - he was once Enoch Powell's election agent.

Nigel Dodds - a man who's notorious for attending paramilitary funerals, many more than Jeremy Corbyn. These include former UVF commander John Bingham, one of the UK's most prolific gun-runners.

David Simpson - a out right homophobe who also believes that creationism should be tought instead of science.

Sammy Wilson - who once said a UDA paper urging ethnic cleansing of NI was 'a welcome return to reality'

Ian Paisley Jr. - who's "pretty repulsed by gay and lesbianism", son of a Paramilitary leader.

Emma Pengelly - Daughter of a notorious UDA gunrunner, also was publically backed by the UDA in her area and shared a platform with them.

Basically a bunch of cunts
 
Don Diaz

Don Diaz

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Now, now that's all forgotten with the Good Friday agreement, see the chuckle brothers above. apart from that bloke that says climate change doesn't exist....and another thing, oh all right you're right, bunch of cunts to the right of UKIP.
 
skiathospurs

skiathospurs

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If you're wondering who the DUP are. Their manifesto is basically The Old Testament Bible with fortnightly bin collections.
 
Dorset

Dorset

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Even if you disregard the actual people and their politics, it seems a bit stark raving mental, if not criminally negligent for the ruling party in Westminster to enter an agreement with either side in that region, Sinn Fein or the DUP (who said I can't be diplomatic, I didn't name the place because I know I will offend some folks if I call that place what I call it in the privacy of my own home). This could lead to bloodshed and if it does that blood will be on Theresa May's hands. As I have been saying for yonks, that May woman is a real nasty bit of work, this proves it beyond doubt, she cares not one single fuck for anyone, all that matters is her career and her staying in power.
 
Don Diaz

Don Diaz

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I think her career and staying in power might not last very long. She certainly won't lead the next general election...which is now in er ..2022. Jeez.
 
Dorset

Dorset

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If you're wondering who the DUP are. Their manifesto is basically The Old Testament Bible with fortnightly bin collections.
Much more moderate than the Tories then. There's nothing wrong with lunatic religious extremists as long as they're not muslim religious extremists, they're cunts they are, not like the moderate Christian religious extremists who quite rightly support the death penalty for homosexuals, women who are not virgins when they marry, working on a Sunday, disobeying parents, witchcraft or not worshipping the same god as them - obviously nothing mental at all about those non-Muslim Bible laws eh?
 
Dorset

Dorset

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I think her career and staying in power might not last very long. She certainly won't lead the next general election...which is now in er ..2022. Jeez.
I don't think she'll last the rest of the month, the Tory knives will be out, I think the next general election will be in 2017 mate, this so-called government can not govern. Yay, I like general elections, they're fun. we should have one very week.
 
skiathospurs

skiathospurs

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Looks like we'll be sending Brussels the Conservative,Unionist Negotiating Team. I hope they can come up with a handy acronym.
 
Yid

Yid

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While this on one hand seems to be a triumph and a result of the like we did not expect..... this is not going to end well.

If she links up with Terrorists after basing a shit load of her campaign on Corbyn supposedly sympathising with the very same ones, I am marching on downing street with a pitchfork in hand.

WTAF is happening to this country.

I quite like the vacuum of political meme and content as none of the soppy flag wavers have been able to decipher what the future actually holds right now. None of us know for sure but we have a clue about the posible outcomes for certain scenarios because we inform ourselves....

We don't simply listen to ITN and bang on about stopping all mussies coming into our country...

It's interesting, but the uncertainty is a bit scary also.
 
Dorset

Dorset

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While this on one hand seems to be a triumph and a result of the like we did not expect..... this is not going to end well.

If she links up with Terrorists after basing a shit load of her campaign on Corbyn supposedly sympathising with the very same ones, I am marching on downing street with a pitchfork in hand.

WTAF is happening to this country.

I quite like the vacuum of political meme and content as none of the soppy flag wavers have been able to decipher what the future actually holds right now. None of us know for sure but we have a clue about the posible outcomes for certain scenarios because we inform ourselves....

We don't simply listen to ITN and bang on about stopping all mussies coming into our country...

It's interesting, but the uncertainty is a bit scary also.
My favourite flag-waving tantrum is that the greedy bastard young people fucked up the country by voting for Labour - how dare those young people vote for a party that would not charge them tuition fees, the greedy cunts were just thinking of their own future and the future of the country, cunts.
 
Don Diaz

Don Diaz

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My favourite flag-waving tantrum is that the greedy bastard young people fucked up the country by voting for Labour - how dare those young people vote for a party that would not charge them tuition fees, the greedy cunts were just thinking of their own future and the future of the country, cunts.
They were getting their own back after having the Brexit vote taken away from them. More power to the yoof.

I heard one of these young people interviewed on the wireless the other day. The young lady said that all of her friends voted and they liked Corbyn because he seemed the most human and whilst his policies were idealistic, young people like to have ideals and dreams....
 
Dorset

Dorset

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They were getting their own back after having the Brexit vote taken away from them. More power to the yoof.

I heard one of these young people interviewed on the wireless the other day. The young lady said that all of her friends voted and they liked Corbyn because he seemed the most human and whilst his policies were idealistic, young people like to have ideals and dreams....
Cunts! Ideals and dreams who do they think they are!

I've been having a nice time on Twitter, blimey there's some really nasty facists over there. Some seem to have this idea that I'm a red lefty and voted for Corbyn because I ridicule their drivel that it's OK for May to do a deal with homophobic, racist, mysogynists, religious extremists' because Corbyn would of done it'. Fucking blimey, the facists actually type 'would of'!!!!! Their daft mental ideas that Corbyn or any of the political party leaders are secret Jihadis gets right on my tits, they read some shit in the Sun and the Mail and go on a fucking crusade about it. The cunts are retweeting Tommy Robinson hate stuff and talking about the fight against Islam, not terrorism but ALL moslems because ..... well I have no fucking idea why, they are totally mental I suppose.

It is fun on Twitter though. I might go back next week and see if they have missed me.
 
Yid

Yid

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My favourite flag-waving tantrum is that the greedy bastard young people fucked up the country by voting for Labour - how dare those young people vote for a party that would not charge them tuition fees, the greedy cunts were just thinking of their own future and the future of the country, cunts.
Mate I know right... I didn't goto university as I was the first year the grants vanished and the loans system was introduced... I couldn't put my parents into that spiral of debt and if be brought up to earn your way so I wasn't keen on me having it either.

Still eats me up that my future was shaped by you selfish old cunts voting on my future...

Who knows what I could have been with a degree before I was 30...
 
Yid

Yid

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They were getting their own back after having the Brexit vote taken away from them. More power to the yoof.

I heard one of these young people interviewed on the wireless the other day. The young lady said that all of her friends voted and they liked Corbyn because he seemed the most human and whilst his policies were idealistic, young people like to have ideals and dreams....
And fucking props to them.... more of that thinking in the world and less Trumps, Jun I'lls, and Putin's and this planet may survive another century.
 
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Yid

Yid

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Cunts! Ideals and dreams who do they think they are!

I've been having a nice time on Twitter, blimey there's some really nasty facists over there. Some seem to have this idea that I'm a red lefty and voted for Corbyn because I ridicule their drivel that it's OK for May to do a deal with homophobic, racist, mysogynists, religious extremists' because Corbyn would of done it'. Fucking blimey, the facists actually type 'would of'!!!!! Their daft mental ideas that Corbyn or any of the political party leaders are secret Jihadis gets right on my tits, they read some shit in the Sun and the Mail and go on a fucking crusade about it. The cunts are retweeting Tommy Robinson hate stuff and talking about the fight against Islam, not terrorism but ALL moslems because ..... well I have no fucking idea why, they are totally mental I suppose.

It is fun on Twitter though. I might go back next week and see if they have missed me.
Mate someone said to me not to argue with idiots... they will eventually drag you down to their level and beat you on experience...

Never a truer word. These people are comfortable identifying with a rhetoric and dont have the capacity or have been lead to believe they done have the capacity to have more than one view or that their view has an alternative that they may well identify with even more.

If you produce evidence they automatically hide behind... "It's just my opinion" and close down the discussion or call you a lefty terrorist sympathiser.

It needs a change in the media for people to wake up from this controlling rhetoric that is churned out vebatem across networks.

Did any media outlet cover the protest outside downing street when May proposed her idea of a DUP/Conservative coalition...!!! NOPE...

Cunts.... so many beautiful cunts.
 
Don Diaz

Don Diaz

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Cunts! Ideals and dreams who do they think they are!

I've been having a nice time on Twitter, blimey there's some really nasty facists over there. Some seem to have this idea that I'm a red lefty and voted for Corbyn because I ridicule their drivel that it's OK for May to do a deal with homophobic, racist, mysogynists, religious extremists' because Corbyn would of done it'. Fucking blimey, the facists actually type 'would of'!!!!! Their daft mental ideas that Corbyn or any of the political party leaders are secret Jihadis gets right on my tits, they read some shit in the Sun and the Mail and go on a fucking crusade about it. The cunts are retweeting Tommy Robinson hate stuff and talking about the fight against Islam, not terrorism but ALL moslems because ..... well I have no fucking idea why, they are totally mental I suppose.

It is fun on Twitter though. I might go back next week and see if they have missed me.
Is that Tommy Robinson of 2-4-6-8 motorway fame.....he definitely wasn't homophobic!!
 
Dorset

Dorset

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Mate I know right... I didn't goto university as I was the first year the grants vanished and the loans system was introduced... I couldn't put my parents into that spiral of debt and if be brought up to earn your way so I wasn't keen on me having it either.

Still eats me up that my future was shaped by you selfish old cunts voting on my future...

Who knows what I could have been with a degree before I was 30...
I didn't go to university until I was 45, had to pay for everything myself, and now I have some fancy letters I could use if I wanted, whoopdiddoo, don't tell that wolfcunt bloke in the other place, he likes to think he's the only one with a edjookation. It would have been mental going when I was a teenager because I really didn't give a fuck then and was much happier earning money for beer and drugs. There were loads of jobs back then and walking into one at 16 straight out of school was easy, and my parents had fuck bleeding all so they couldn't pay for my further education even if I had wanted to be brainwashed.

I have made it my life's work to fuck up younger people by voting for anything that would benefit them of, except Brexit of course, I must have made a mistake on that one and voted for the best option for all those horrible young fuckers, remain. If those lazy arsed fuckers had voted in the fucking referendum then maybe we would not be in this mess and instead of running away like cunts we could be working to make the EU better. It is a mess and needs sorting out, but the mess we are in now and will be in the next few years in my opinion is and will be far worse.
 
Dorset

Dorset

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Is that Tommy Robinson of 2-4-6-8 motorway fame.....he definitely wasn't homophobic!!
If it is mate then he has changed over the years! No, it is the famous in his own brain English nazi bloke from the EDL.
 
Don Diaz

Don Diaz

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I didn't go to university until I was 45, had to pay for everything myself, and now I have some fancy letters I could use if I wanted, whoopdiddoo,
what's that fancy whoopdiddoo degree then?
 
Yid

Yid

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Founding Member
I didn't go to university until I was 45, had to pay for everything myself, and now I have some fancy letters I could use if I wanted, whoopdiddoo, don't tell that wolfcunt bloke in the other place, he likes to think he's the only one with a edjookation. It would have been mental going when I was a teenager because I really didn't give a fuck then and was much happier earning money for beer and drugs. There were loads of jobs back then and walking into one at 16 straight out of school was easy, and my parents had fuck bleeding all so they couldn't pay for my further education even if I had wanted to be brainwashed.

I have made it my life's work to fuck up younger people by voting for anything that would benefit them of, except Brexit of course, I must have made a mistake on that one and voted for the best option for all those horrible young fuckers, remain. If those lazy arsed fuckers had voted in the fucking referendum then maybe we would not be in this mess and instead of running away like cunts we could be working to make the EU better. It is a mess and needs sorting out, but the mess we are in now and will be in the next few years in my opinion is and will be far worse.
Same here bruv, not enough piss let alone pots... I did exactly the same and I didn't need to as they've done fuck all to further my life yet... But I enjoyed doing it.

Work hard from the bottom if needs be and the rewards will come. That's what I'll be instilling in my kids that they can achieve anything with hard work.

On topic.... so the witch has joined up with the terrorists. How in fucks name does she think this will end well.

Her career is over right now. Ended. Finished. Finito. That party regardless of what they do over the next 3 years will not win an election if they are cosied up with the DUP.

As for Labour they have momentum. Corbyn has the oportunity to form a shadow cabinet to continually build momentum and strongly oppose the tyrannical woman who thought she could simply bully her way to a record majority and her way out of Europe.

They need to look at what they are offering as essentially while they did well they still didn't do anywhere near enough. Maybe Corbyn needs to go to and they can focus on forming a more moderate Labour shadow government.

IDFK what will happen now.... I don't know how we can let that mob I to the house of commons in all honesty. Will that happen? What will the terms of the coalition be? This proportional representation thing has to happen.
 
Chavhater01

Chavhater01

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I didn't go to university until I was 45, had to pay for everything myself, and now I have some fancy letters I could use if I wanted, whoopdiddoo, don't tell that wolfcunt bloke in the other place, he likes to think he's the only one with a edjookation. It would have been mental going when I was a teenager because I really didn't give a fuck then and was much happier earning money for beer and drugs. There were loads of jobs back then and walking into one at 16 straight out of school was easy, and my parents had fuck bleeding all so they couldn't pay for my further education even if I had wanted to be brainwashed.

I have made it my life's work to fuck up younger people by voting for anything that would benefit them of, except Brexit of course, I must have made a mistake on that one and voted for the best option for all those horrible young fuckers, remain. If those lazy arsed fuckers had voted in the fucking referendum then maybe we would not be in this mess and instead of running away like cunts we could be working to make the EU better. It is a mess and needs sorting out, but the mess we are in now and will be in the next few years in my opinion is and will be far worse.

The fight's real!!

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/generational-revenge-the-politics-of-ageism/19853
 
Dorset

Dorset

The Voice Of Reason
Founding Member
what's that fancy whoopdiddoo degree then?
Fuck off, not just one and I ain't telling you! I will tell you I did achieve a Cycling Proficiency badge AND got Bronze, Silver and Gold swimming medals in lifesaving and survival, I used to wear them all and was told by the Headmaster that a 'gentleman only wears his top honour' so I added my school swimming captain medal, Tufty Club and Robertson's Golly badges as well. I was a right rebel!

But like @Yid said, the qualifications I got later in life have not really helped me financially or in my career as I do what I have always done, tap away at my keyboard doing computer stuff, I don't got no clever bits of paper about 'puter stuff I learned myself all that old bollox. I got fucked off with the whispy bearded blokes in sandals taking years to write a simple bit of code, so I printed out what they did, realised it was farking obvious and started doing their jobs, I got promoted and sacked the cunts. Then I went to evening classes, the course was on structured programming, a system invented by Michael Jackson, a different one I suspect, the bloke 'teaching' the course was a wally so I ended up teaching the class because to me it was all so obvious, it might help that I am probably on the 'scale' wot they measure Aspebergers and Autism on. Mrs D thinks so and she knows everything.

We don't need no education, we don't need no thought control, what we really need is just a bit of critical thinking, I used to teach that as well! It is amazing, you can stand in front of a class of adults, tell them they should never take anything they are told on face value and they should first think, investigate, analyse, do the same for any opposite view then decide, then you tell them something fucking ridiculous and they all write it down, accepting it without thinking. 87% of adults do this, the other 14% are only in the class because it is a compulsory part of their course and will get the credit for just being there.

I don't expect people to go off and read peer reviewed studies on stuff, I do, but I am a bit odd. It would be nice though if people did just a bit of very high level thinking about the stuff they believe then tweet around the world cos they read it their daily comic. Some looney the other day told me that ALL the muslims in this country want to kill us, the 'Christians', it's in their bible. I asked him how many muslims and what the difference was between their bible and his was. Fucking hundreds, they should all be locked up and deported, the proper Bible wot God wrote does not tell people to kill unbeliever slike the raghead one does. I smiled, resisted the urge to smash my beer glass into his face and walked away to see if there was anyone in my local pub with more than one brain cell, sadly not, Dorset is not famous for critical thinking.
 
Dorset

Dorset

The Voice Of Reason
Founding Member
Same here bruv, not enough piss let alone pots... I did exactly the same and I didn't need to as they've done fuck all to further my life yet... But I enjoyed doing it.

Work hard from the bottom if needs be and the rewards will come. That's what I'll be instilling in my kids that they can achieve anything with hard work.

On topic.... so the witch has joined up with the terrorists. How in fucks name does she think this will end well.

Her career is over right now. Ended. Finished. Finito. That party regardless of what they do over the next 3 years will not win an election if they are cosied up with the DUP.

As for Labour they have momentum. Corbyn has the oportunity to form a shadow cabinet to continually build momentum and strongly oppose the tyrannical woman who thought she could simply bully her way to a record majority and her way out of Europe.

They need to look at what they are offering as essentially while they did well they still didn't do anywhere near enough. Maybe Corbyn needs to go to and they can focus on forming a more moderate Labour shadow government.

IDFK what will happen now.... I don't know how we can let that mob I to the house of commons in all honesty. Will that happen? What will the terms of the coalition be? This proportional representation thing has to happen.
Spot on. 'Maybe Corbyn needs to go to and they can focus on forming a more moderate Labour shadow government.' - nail firmly smashed on its bonce, this for me is what both sides should do. Ms May has shown that she really doesn't give a fuck what anyone else says and she wants total Presidential style power (without checks and balances). She needs to listen and moderate the fuck out of her attitude. Corbin has gone full-metal-socialist and he needs to listen to the folks who tell him that just maybe his ideals would bankrupt the country. Both sides have very good ideas, both sides have very mental ideas. May has really shot herself in the head. If she goes ahead with this alliance with the DUP then she will hand a loaded gun to Corbin who will pull the trigger in the next election campaign, which I think will be in the Autumn. Anyone wavering or undecided will probably quite rightly decide they don't want to vote for someone who would do a deal with a party that goes against nearly all of the decent values we have worked hard in this country to achieve. She will have pissed all over the Good Friday agreement which called for 'rigorous impartiality' from Westminster in NI.

YES to PR mate. It is stark raving fucking mental that the DUP can hold the balance of power - 10 seats with less than 1% of the UK votes, while the Green Party get just one seat with almost double then number of votes! Caroline Lucas is the only party leader I would trust, but until we get a fair electoral system there is no chance she will get a meaningful say in the price of fish. If people were given two choices then I think a massive number of votes would go green, most people don't vote for them because they think it would be a wasted vote, and they are right under the current system.
 
skiathospurs

skiathospurs

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Fuck off, not just one and I ain't telling you! I will tell you I did achieve a Cycling Proficiency badge AND got Bronze, Silver and Gold swimming medals in lifesaving and survival, I used to wear them all and was told by the Headmaster that a 'gentleman only wears his top honour' so I added my school swimming captain medal, Tufty Club and Robertson's Golly badges as well. I was a right rebel!

But like @Yid said, the qualifications I got later in life have not really helped me financially or in my career as I do what I have always done, tap away at my keyboard doing computer stuff, I don't got no clever bits of paper about 'puter stuff I learned myself all that old bollox. I got fucked off with the whispy bearded blokes in sandals taking years to write a simple bit of code, so I printed out what they did, realised it was farking obvious and started doing their jobs, I got promoted and sacked the cunts. Then I went to evening classes, the course was on structured programming, a system invented by Michael Jackson, a different one I suspect, the bloke 'teaching' the course was a wally so I ended up teaching the class because to me it was all so obvious, it might help that I am probably on the 'scale' wot they measure Aspebergers and Autism on. Mrs D thinks so and she knows everything.

We don't need no education, we don't need no thought control, what we really need is just a bit of critical thinking, I used to teach that as well! It is amazing, you can stand in front of a class of adults, tell them they should never take anything they are told on face value and they should first think, investigate, analyse, do the same for any opposite view then decide, then you tell them something fucking ridiculous and they all write it down, accepting it without thinking. 87% of adults do this, the other 14% are only in the class because it is a compulsory part of their course and will get the credit for just being there.

I don't expect people to go off and read peer reviewed studies on stuff, I do, but I am a bit odd. It would be nice though if people did just a bit of very high level thinking about the stuff they believe then tweet around the world cos they read it their daily comic. Some looney the other day told me that ALL the muslims in this country want to kill us, the 'Christians', it's in their bible. I asked him how many muslims and what the difference was between their bible and his was. Fucking hundreds, they should all be locked up and deported, the proper Bible wot God wrote does not tell people to kill unbeliever slike the raghead one does. I smiled, resisted the urge to smash my beer glass into his face and walked away to see if there was anyone in my local pub with more than one brain cell, sadly not, Dorset is not famous for critical thinking.
I will simplify the chat on education/qualifications by saying what you and Yid say is same as I hold,experience beats exam qualifications hands down.The point of education as I see it as is enabling you to learn by yourself,during and later in life,yes specific high end skills physics,mathematic high end stuff,sciences and so on,or the progression to be a tutor educating others and various other examples that disprove what I say as somethings need extra mentoring above being self taught yes exisit,but education or the system shows you the process to use to enhance yourself however you choose.You or anyone doesnt need schoöl,college,uni for that,I worked with many graduates who came in after me,and for all their Bsc,masters never learnt to actually learn,problem solve,adapt and conquer,because seems they get programmed to being told their stuff rather than working it out themselves.I have a puny HND,some people have nothing on paper,its how your brain connects to work shit out that defines you not what a system shits out after 16 years.That is why teaching should be one of our most valued trades,teach others how to learn,not merely remember facts,theories,equations and so on.And then the ability to create or be creative can you teach that or just help a persons process reach it?
Teaching is an underpaid,under appreciated career,forget future doormen who want to head off to far flung climates,meet and kill exotic other persons,teachers who make the difference are heroes.
 
Dorset

Dorset

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I will simplify the chat on education/qualifications by saying what you and Yid say is same as I hold,experience beats exam qualifications hands down.The point of education as I see it as is enabling you to learn by yourself,during and later in life,yes specific high end skills physics,mathematic high end stuff,sciences and so on,or the progression to be a tutor educating others and various other examples that disprove what I say as somethings need extra mentoring above being self taught yes exisit,but education or the system shows you the process to use to enhance yourself however you choose.You or anyone doesnt need schoöl,college,uni for that,I worked with many graduates who came in after me,and for all their Bsc,masters never learnt to actually learn,problem solve,adapt and conquer,because seems they get programmed to being told their stuff rather than working it out themselves.I have a puny HND,some people have nothing on paper,its how your brain connects to work shit out that defines you not what a system shits out after 16 years.That is why teaching should be one of our most valued trades,teach others how to learn,not merely remember facts,theories,equations and so on.And then the ability to create or be creative can you teach that or just help a persons process reach it?
Teaching is an underpaid,under appreciated career,forget future doormen who want to head off to far flung climates,meet and kill exotic other persons,teachers who make the difference are heroes.
... and education needs to be free! Oooh radical red lefty talk there. I agree with Corbyn on that, but I do not know how it would be paid for, maybe if it were calculated by a clever person they would realise that a better educated workforce might be more productive, earn money and so pay more tax so it would pay for itself? I don't think education should be free for media studies, theology, philosophy etc., if people want a BA in Art History, then they can pay for it. Looking at the NHS, we are so short of qualified nurses they they have to use Agency nurses from all over the world, this costs a fucking fortune and the fucking feds are withdrawing the bursaries that make it remotely possible for people to do these vital jobs.

I don't want a fast train to Birmingham from London, I give zero fucks about that. I don't want people to live all nice and comfy off the state when they are able to work. I do want nurses and doctors and ambulances driven by paramedics. I do want children to leave school knowing how to read and write. I do want engineers, scientists, doctors, nurses to be educated without being burdened with debt. I do want plenty of Plod on the streets protecting me and everyone else. I don't want a missile that we could never use - first strike or revenge, both are sickening to me and the threats we face in the modern world not the sort you can lob bombs at. I do want a 'strong and stable' economy that isn't destroyed by silly socialist penalties. I do want to see tax avoiders, big corporations and individuals, punished and the money collected. I don't want a special relationship with the USA - until they get rid of that nazi lunatic. I don't want the world fucked up by pollution.

I want a balanced. middle ground, fair society that does not see its trading partners and neighbours as enemies who have to be beaten in negotiations. That is my manifesto for the coming autumn elections, vote for me, I am less mental than the others!
 
Yid

Yid

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I will simplify the chat on education/qualifications by saying what you and Yid say is same as I hold,experience beats exam qualifications hands down.The point of education as I see it as is enabling you to learn by yourself,during and later in life,yes specific high end skills physics,mathematic high end stuff,sciences and so on,or the progression to be a tutor educating others and various other examples that disprove what I say as somethings need extra mentoring above being self taught yes exisit,but education or the system shows you the process to use to enhance yourself however you choose.You or anyone doesnt need schoöl,college,uni for that,I worked with many graduates who came in after me,and for all their Bsc,masters never learnt to actually learn,problem solve,adapt and conquer,because seems they get programmed to being told their stuff rather than working it out themselves.I have a puny HND,some people have nothing on paper,its how your brain connects to work shit out that defines you not what a system shits out after 16 years.That is why teaching should be one of our most valued trades,teach others how to learn,not merely remember facts,theories,equations and so on.And then the ability to create or be creative can you teach that or just help a persons process reach it?
Teaching is an underpaid,under appreciated career,forget future doormen who want to head off to far flung climates,meet and kill exotic other persons,teachers who make the difference are heroes.
Bruv that's what I studied in and jogged it on before ever seeking gainful employment because I realised.......... it was fucking shit.

I have taught some of the most difficult people in society over the years and I love being able to contribute to someone becoming more. It's an amazing feeling watching people grow in front of your eyes as you explain a system or process and hold their hand as they work their way through it in their own way. Once they do that it's in there... they then have the knowledge and I always tell people that it's only useful if you use it and pass it on... oherwise it does nothing, was a waste of time and dies,

I did 4 years at evening classes to get a teaching degree and have literally never used it because of the methods, structure and unrealistic expectations.

One thing it did do was enable me to confidently articulate my vocabulary which for someone who uses the words fuck and cunt like commas is surprisingly rangey... (I like making up words too and my spelling is wank).

It's all a load of old shit because if you are a clever geezer and have the ability to critically analyse events, situations and problems you can transfer those skill to absolutely anything.

I 100% agree that teachers should be the absolute best of the best. That does not mean the cleverest of cunts we have as most of them fuckers are on the scale and can't communicate for shit. They should have the knowledge and enable learning to take place. That could be through any/all mediums to ensure all are catered for.

For me teachers are as important as nurses and doctors. Without good teachers we have generations of fucking morons who would do somthing crazy like vote us out of Eroupe........ oops. We wouldn't have nurses and doctors and have to look for them to come in from other countr........... oops.

I'm now doing PM work and basically have been for about a decade without it being called that or without me having any recognised qualifications in it. If I want to move into a more senior position though I have to have my skills ratified by a qualification... more shitty beurocracy. More hoops to jump through and lick.

My Mrs has 3 degrees and doesn't have the common sense to work out where the fucking whisk blades go into the bottom of an electric whisk (happened today)... I told her I wouldn't help and 10 mins later she fathomed it out. This girl is intelligent and studious..... but in reality she is dense as fuck. My kids are being taught to do things very diferenty.

I think we have a generation or 3 of these morons who as you say have been coached to pass tests and exams and not work out solutions or ways to learn, they simply retain info by rote. Or just expect the state to pay for you to do fuck all but exist.

Back onto politics. Total bunch of cunts. Chuka Umunna for me has to be in the new shadow cabinet. My mate should also be there Vciky Foxcroft. Angela Rayner (existing cabinet) as she is a good looking lass and if anything after suffering Abbot for a few years we deserve a bit of eye candy. I like Chackrabarti too.... not like that..... think I she talks sense and sint afraid to say when things are shite.

As for a new leader what about Milliband MK2... he stood down to allow his Bro a decent run at it but by all accounts he had the majority of the support form the back benches.

What about a new protest party however in the same vein as UKIP to simply have one policy for political reform?

Oh and if we get Boris fucking Johnson as a prime minister I will be on the first fucking plane to anywhere.
 
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Dorset

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Someone on telly said today that cutting school funding is 'vandalising the future'. They stopped maintaining and dredging rivers to save a quid - floods. They stopped investing in hospitals and health care education - NHS crisis. Taking money from eduction will lead to a third world Britain. If I was cynical I might even think that the ruling class actually want a country full of thick as shit wankers who will believe anything as long as it is in big bold letters and no longer than 4 words.

@Yid above said about the modern so-called education system of exam passing, I used to have a little club where I helped folks pass exams by intensive mind-mapping, mnemonics and stuffing high-level summaries into our heads the night before exams, we all got distinctions at the very least but did we actually understand it all? Not on your fucking Nelly, but fuck all that revising and memorising stuff, I have never understood why a memory test would be a way of testing knowledge. I also could never understand that until you had actually went post-grad you were not allowed to have your own opinion. If you turned in a paper that wasn't referencing someone else's work or opinion then you would fail that assignment, so what you had to do was say the same as someone else but use different words or you would get done for plagiarism.

Like what @skiathospurs said, Education is the starting point for understanding stuff, leaving school, college or university with fancy bits of paper does not mean you are clever, but it means you have read stuff, you have the tools you need to start educating yourself properly - and start to actually understand. I threw my diplomas away as they were meaningless, big deal, I can remember stuff for exams and I found I am really good at rewriting someone else's studies and to pick the angle the tutor like the best.

I don't believe anyone is stupid, everyone has huge potential to learn, but not everyone has the sort of bonce that can get to grips with what the fucked up education system thinks they need. Basic arithmetic is vital for everyone, but trying to ram mathematics into kid's heads who have missed the point of the basics is fucking mental. Everyone needs to be able to read and write, but forcing kids to try and read Joyce when they struggle with Dan Brown is fucking mental.

I have had ONE good teacher in my life, she was a doctor who had given up practising to teach, she would never move on with any topic until every single person in that class had proved they understood it, not memorised the facts, but understood. Loads of people complained that is was unfair and they were publicly being asked questions that were difficult, and thought they might look stupid if they could not answer. I loved every second, I learned more in her lessons than I have ever learned anywhere. Before her I could write down all the bits of the Krebs cycle, after her lectures I understood what the little fucker did! One teacher like her is worth a hundred mediocre teachers, sadly the education system is staffed with folks who have passed exams, have diplomas but could not teach their way out of a paper bag. I know a bloke who is a retired builder, he is a brilliant teacher, he used to teach at a local school but know they are saying he needs a teaching diploma, so all those kids who would have learned how to make things with wood, use tools, and all those useful skills will now learn the fucking theory of building and their shelves will be wonky as fuck!

Education for me should be about making sure every child can do plussing, timesing, dividing and understand percentages. Making sure they can read to a reasonable level, can write so people can understand them. Then, finding where the child's potential for excellence is and building on that - and not judging kids on their ability to remember stuff they don't understand so they can pass exams. Vocational subjects are being scrapped, Mrs D used to teach A Level Health and Social Care, her ex pupils have gone on to great things in nursing and care, they were kids who might've struggled with traditional academic subjects but the fucking government have scrapped that subject, cunts.

That feels better, a nice Monday morning rant! I do enjoy a nice rant. Rant is a funny word, if you keep saying rant it starts to feel like rant is not a real word.
 
Don Diaz

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... and education needs to be free! Oooh radical red lefty talk there. I agree with Corbyn on that, but I do not know how it would be paid for, maybe if it were calculated by a clever person they would realise that a better educated workforce might be more productive, earn money and so pay more tax so it would pay for itself? I don't think education should be free for media studies, theology, philosophy etc., if people want a BA in Art History, then they can pay for it. Looking at the NHS, we are so short of qualified nurses they they have to use Agency nurses from all over the world, this costs a fucking fortune and the fucking feds are withdrawing the bursaries that make it remotely possible for people to do these vital jobs.

I don't want a fast train to Birmingham from London, I give zero fucks about that. I don't want people to live all nice and comfy off the state when they are able to work. I do want nurses and doctors and ambulances driven by paramedics. I do want children to leave school knowing how to read and write. I do want engineers, scientists, doctors, nurses to be educated without being burdened with debt. I do want plenty of Plod on the streets protecting me and everyone else. I don't want a missile that we could never use - first strike or revenge, both are sickening to me and the threats we face in the modern world not the sort you can lob bombs at. I do want a 'strong and stable' economy that isn't destroyed by silly socialist penalties. I do want to see tax avoiders, big corporations and individuals, punished and the money collected. I don't want a special relationship with the USA - until they get rid of that nazi lunatic. I don't want the world fucked up by pollution.

I want a balanced. middle ground, fair society that does not see its trading partners and neighbours as enemies who have to be beaten in negotiations. That is my manifesto for the coming autumn elections, vote for me, I am less mental than the others!
There is a vacancy appearing soon in London. Are you free for about the next 4-5 years?

The fast train to Birmingham that is costing £60bn runs past my back garden and could do so much good by not being built, and that isn't NIMBYism, it's an objective appraisal....it will just extend the London commuter belt to Birmingham, not the other way around.
 
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