Uk politics...

[Yid]

Oh and the tactic of divide and conquer is in full force at downing street.

Release some statistics about how the minorities are oppressed and how the gvt are going to address that abhorrent inequality.

No mention of why there IS social inequality and that their policies on policing and social housing has contributed to entire generations of families who have been marginalised by the state.

 

[Rev John Ripsher]

Yeah he's a cunt.... a rich toff cunt.

Who speaks a great deal of sense to many people who are sick of platitudes and double speak.

 

[Yid]

Who speaks a great deal of sense to many people who are sick of platitudes and double speak.

I make assumptions all the time here... so why not another? You and I are working class (assumption). We do not hold massive sharholdings in mega bucks pharma companies like this Mogg prick so for him to tell us that Austerity is "uplifting" while people are surviving on foodbanks is a little bit of a stretch for me mate...

Do you feel like the Tories Austerity measures have lifted you or anyone you know out of poverry or improved your economic position....? this twat will tell you that this is exactly what they have done.

Whilst he is articulate and polite and does challenge the silly flag waving lunatics (remember they are all mentally I'll ( again presuming you are not one or mentally ill) and gives you your 'sensible' debate without 'double speak' he is also full of shit and simply driving the pro Torie agenda of which we can quite visably see is sending blighty down yhe fuxking gurgler...

Let's also not mention the abortion pill debacle this twerp is embroiled in...!!!

 

[Rev John Ripsher]

Do you feel like the Tories Austerity measures have lifted you or anyone you know out of poverty or improved your economic position....? this twat will tell you that this is exactly what they have done.

Honestly, no government is ever going to lift me or you out of poverty, the only ones to do this are ourselves, and yes, you are right, I am very working class.

To be honest, most of them are a complete shower of shite, which one is the least worst we have to ask ourselves. My deep background on one side is one of Communism, my grandparents on that one side were thrown out of Russia for not being Communist enough!!! But nowadays I mistrust communism with the passion of someone who has seen its darkest side and is glad it is consigned to history, or is it? I mean one Jeremy Corbin is a paid-up Communist party member. Would you fucking believe it? Scroats, all of them.

 

[Motspur Hotspur]

Brexit 'negotiations' = Use of Britains Naval Forces.

See PESCO (Integration of European defence forces/budgets) effectively creating a European army. Were we supposed to be the naval arm of this combined force?

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/p...mber-states-sign-joint-notification-on-pesco/

Top 5 Naval forces.
USA
China
Russia
UK
Japan

https://scout.com/military/warrior/...5-Most-Powerful-Navies-in-the-World-101454640

Add the fact that the UK is practically a 52nd state and allows the USA to effect decisions made in Europe and you've got a very powerful European force.

So Cameron went off to 'negotiate' pre referendum or did he? Then came back and put up the European referendum, we know the result. My question is IF we had voted yes, would Britain then have been going full European including signing up to PESCO? Was the whole thing a giant con to simply get a thumbs up from the electorate for giving ourselves over completely?

Also what's going on with Russia, are they trying to force a wedge so EU are forced to turn to them for naval support? You can't expand globally without a navy after all and UK saw most of the European countries navies off decades ago.

Just my ramblings, trying to make sense of WTF is going on in the world at the moment. One things for sure, we've pulled out of one of the biggest business mergers in human history!

 

[Dorset]

The Sun says! Jeremy Corbyn met a communist spy! Oh the horror, Jezza is a traitor! This is getting fucking stupid now, all this fake news and brainwashing the sheep into believing stuff that is just total bollocks.

I have been a member of the Labour party for a very, very long time, in fact when I left the more left wing groups in the 70s. I don't rate Corbyn at all, he has been ineffective against a very weak Tory government and his policies and those of his awful shadow cabinet are too radical for modern Britain or anywhere in the 21st century really . His stance on Brexit is appalling for someone who bangs on about democracy in the Labour Party, most of the members want a 2nd referendum, most of us want to at least remain in the Customs Union and the Single Market if the Brexit abortion goes ahead. Corbyn, a closet Brexiteer ignores his members views, possibly because his brand of socialism could not work in the EU, who knows. Corbynism may have worked In the 60s, then those leftist policies could have gradually morphed into something more center-left, a caring society that didn't punish the fuck out of the wealthy, a system the entire country could live with. Trying to go full-mental socialist in this day and age just ain't going to work. Blair was a Tory, Corbyn is a Communist, who the fuck can lead the Labour party on a more sensible center-left, modern socialist path?

So, I don't like Corbyn, but he is not the demon the right wing facist propaganda sheets want the sheep to believe. In 1986 when Corbyn 'met the spy', Thatcher was in power and JC was only a 3rd year MP, does anybody seriously think that the evil bitch Thatcher had let a young opposition MP know the country's secrets so he could pass them on to the commies? Everybody and his mum in the eastern bloc countries diplomatic divisions was a spy back in those cold war days, so you could probably make a case that all 600 plus MPs had 'met communist spies'. For fuck's sake, this bollocks will make the facists who read the Sun, Mail and Express go into full mental mode. The morons will believe anything that is tweeted at them or printed in those fucking awful rags as long as it supports their facist, flag-waving mental illness.

 

[Dorset]

I am not going to make any snide comments or go full mental abusive like I usually do about Brexit, I am just gong to say there everybody should read this, whichever side they are on, take 5 minutes and read it all, it is eye-opening.

John Major's Speech on Brexit

We all think we know everything we need to know and are clever enough to understand the complexities, but this bloke is probably the most intelligent politician I have seen in my lifetime, he does know everything and this speech makes so many things clear, without spin, without insults without attacking the 'other side' . READ IT.

 

[Yid]

I am not going to make any snide comments or go full mental abusive like I usually do about Brexit, I am just gong to say there everybody should read this, whichever side they are on, take 5 minutes and read it all, it is eye-opening.

John Major's Speech on Brexit

We all think we know everything we need to know and are clever enough to understand the complexities, but this bloke is probably the most intelligent politician I have seen in my lifetime, he does know everything and this speech makes so many things clear, without spin, without insults without attacking the 'other side' . READ IT.

That is an awesome e read.

It smacks of division... it smacks of sectarianism... it smacks of greed and not enough good people...

If you want to draw parallels to anything similar in history you only need to go as far back as the 1930's... at that point a certain movement gathered pace (as is happening now across Europe) and somone seized their oportunity to try and change the world.

Stronger together..... when will we learn.

The prospect of this happening again and us as a race not learning enough from our history to develop beyond personal greed is utterly terifying. It probably won't be me going to sort it out but it probably will be my kids.

 

[Rev John Ripsher]

So, just to be clear...anything anti Brexit and pro EU is gospel, and anything pro Brexit is bollox?

I find disingenuous for John Major to add all those who didn't vote together with those who voted to stay in the EU. The man's a fraud.

 

[conor1]

I am not going to make any snide comments or go full mental abusive like I usually do about Brexit, I am just gong to say there everybody should read this, whichever side they are on, take 5 minutes and read it all, it is eye-opening.

John Major's Speech on Brexit

We all think we know everything we need to know and are clever enough to understand the complexities, but this bloke is probably the most intelligent politician I have seen in my lifetime, he does know everything and this speech makes so many things clear, without spin, without insults without attacking the 'other side' . READ IT.

I read it mate. We're fucked. Simple as. From a personal point of view and based on where I'm from there will be huge repercussions for us this side of the pond, no doubt about it in my mind. Im loathe to get political on here, anywhere in fact but I do believe norn iron will see massive change politically in the not too distant future, good or bad.

 

[Dorset]

So, just to be clear...anything anti Brexit and pro EU is gospel and anything pro Brexit is bollox?

I see the message was lost on you, I am not remotely surprised. Did you read more than two lines of it or none at all? Can you read more than a headline?

Yes John Major is unashamedly anti-Brexit, but for the others who can be fucked reading and understanding you might find that his message was that if we have to do Brexit then it has to be done right and he wants Parliament to make the final decision on any deal we may get or concessions we may have to make - which is how democracy works. He was pointing out the dog's breakfast May and her ministers are making of negotiations and how she is being influenced by a bunch of ultra-Brexit bullies.who want it hard or to walk away, his opinion and that of the vast majority of MPs is either of those options would be disastrous.. He wants the Good Friday agreement to be upheld and anyone who disagrees with that is a total cunt. he wants a free vote in Parliament so that MPs can represent their constituencies - again what the fuck is wrong with that, surely that is what they are supposed to do?

What he did not say, was that he wanted to take your Brexit away from you.

 

[Rev John Ripsher]

Did you bother to read anything of the less than 3 lines I wrote? I said nothing of the things of which I am accused of.

 

[Rev John Ripsher]

 

[Style And Glory]

Before this starts to get out of hand like it did over in that other site that is far, far away...

...let's not have to place this thread within padded virtual walls & making it mandatory that all participants wear protective headgear in case something in their brains is / gets broken.

Alternatively, be respectful.

 

[Dorset]

Before this starts to get out of hand like it did over in that other site that is far, far away...

...let's not have to place this thread within padded virtual walls & making it mandatory that all participants wear protective headgear in case something in their brains is / gets broken.

Alternatively, be respectful.

Nope, not happening, Respect is a thing that is earned not doshed out to make you feel cosy. This isn't a school playground.

 

[Style And Glory]

Nope, not happening, Respect is a thing that is earned not doshed out to make you feel cosy. This isn't a school playground.

Ahh, this could be a whole other debate.

Respect is earned by first learning to give it.

 

[Dorset]

Ahh, this could be a whole other debate.

Respect is earned by first learning to give it.

Bollocks. That's just a glib soundbite type of answer so beloved of the media believing sheep. It is better to give than receive, make an enemy a friend - blah, blah, blah. Respect is pointless, I really don't give a flying fuck if people respect me or not, I cant pay the heating bills with it or buy a loaf of bread.

People demand respect these days as if it is their right and they get very umpty when they don't get it, why worry? If you can't have a good old barney with someone who is talking bollocks and they with you when you are talking bollocks then why bother? I know many people will say "oh no, don't talk about politics it will cause division", but talking about it doesn't cause division, it is already there.

It's the wrong place is a another argument. But where is the right place? I will go full mental in a pub if someone is talking bollocks, in my house, in the street - anywhere that isn't the house of the bollocks speaker. This is not a bollocks speaker's home, nor is the Internet, they are public spaces and bollocks speaking can and should be countered with full mental responses. Of course if someone thinks I am talking bollocks they can and should go full-mental on me.

If cunts can only respond to a sensible, non insulting post with soundbites and stupid fucking pictures - that is how idiots who are too lazy even to string a sentence together on Twitter debate issues these days then I will call them cunts and in my twisted opinion I cannot be accused of being disrespectful to someone who does not deserve any respect. If they want to call me a cunt back then that will amuse me greatly.

 

[Dorset]

Back to the world of sensible debate. I suggested that folks read John Major's speech. Regardless of your Brexit stance, the main points I got from this that Sir John suggests that the British public were lied to, by both sides. Fair point? I think so. He also suggested that the process was not understood by the electorate, nobody realised exactly just how much was involved and the potential damage that Brexit could cause if it actually took place or if it was badly handled, again a fair point.

He went on to suggest that Parliament should have the final say on any agreement and I don't see how anybody who supports democracy could have an issue with that. Our country is governed by Parliament, not by a small a group of fanatically pro or anti-Brexit politicians, that would be bad and would make a mockery of our democratic system. He also suggested that a 2nd Referendum could be held, now the public know what Brexit actually means and the lies, on both sides, have been exposed - what could be more democratic than that? I do not understand how anyone can protest that a 2nd referendum would go against 'the will of the people', surely pro-Brexit folks would support an opportunity to achieve the full unequivocal endorsement of the voters and the anti-Brexit supporters would welcome the chance to prove the opposite.

Again, regardless of your views, the majority in the referendum was too small to call a resounding victory. If the same result was applied to to Parliament we would not have a government but a ragtag coalition. A 2nd referendum could provide an undeniable mandate for or against Brexit, especially if the people who did not bother to vote realised they had a duty to vote and got off of their arses. This year is the anniversary of the brave women of the suffragette movement starting to gain the rights they were denied, some died to give everyone the right to vote, not taking part in the democratic process is pissing on that sacrifice. Is that disrespectful to non-voters? I hope so.

 

[Yid]

Smeegle is due to do a speech today that outlines in clear terms what she expects Brexit to look like. This will form the path were going to take and in theory will provide a platform for Parliament to make that decision on our behalf.

I'd rather have the opportunity to say myself how I want them to act with a 2nd referendum so I know what I am voting for this time... But I don't think I will get it.

We have to hope our leaders do what's right, and essentially tear this government down.

 

[Dorset]

Smeegle is due to do a speech today that outlines in clear terms what she expects Brexit to look like. This will form the path were going to take and in theory will provide a platform for Parliament to make that decision on our behalf.

I'd rather have the opportunity to say myself how I want them to act with a 2nd referendum so I know what I am voting for this time... But I don't think I will get it.

We have to hope our leaders do what's right, and essentially tear this government down.

Mate, I think even the most extreme Brexitteer could not argue against my theory that the so-called Prime Minister is a total waste of space - they probably will though. In all my many years I don't think I have ever come across a PM like her - and I am including that total plonker Heath. Does she ever say anything? All we seem to get are catchphrases and slogans. The government is a shambles and so is the opposition, that earhole Clegg destroyed any catch of the middle ground moderating their bollocksness - what a pickle we are in.

It is very, extremely unlikely but I wonder what would happen if Sinn Fein took up their seats in the commons and reduced the slim, slimey, disgusting majority bought by May from the DUP? Fantsay thinking maybe, but that seesms to be fashionable these days.

 

[Dorset]

Something that should alarm every fan of democracy. The government want to introduce strict voter ID laws. The Electoral Commission have confirmed that there were 28 cases of alleged identity fraud in the 2017 election - out of 44.6 million votes, so the 'problem' the government want to solve does not exist. The people who are less likely to have things like driving licences and passports are the poor and you have to ask if this is a cynical attempt to stop the peasants voting, because those nasty oiks traditionally do not go for the Tories.

The proposed reduction in the number of seats in Parliament from 650 to 600 needs to be looked at very carefully as well, the Electoral Commission studies have shown that these boundary changes will result in 20 more Tory MPs, suspicious? Probably.

I dislike intensely the current 'first past the post' system, I even protested when UKIP got 3.9 million votes in 2015 and only one seat in Parliament, he SNP got 56 seats for 4.8 per cent of the vote, while UKIP's 12.7 per cent got them just one, that is wrong. I despise UKIP and everything it stands for, but we are supposed to be living in a democracy and we ain't.

 

[Style And Glory]

Bollocks. That's just a glib soundbite type of answer so beloved of the media believing sheep. It is better to give than receive, make an enemy a friend - blah, blah, blah. Respect is pointless, I really don't give a flying fuck if people respect me or not, I cant pay the heating bills with it or buy a loaf of bread.

People demand respect these days as if it is their right and they get very umpty when they don't get it, why worry? If you can't have a good old barney with someone who is talking bollocks and they with you when you are talking bollocks then why bother? I know many people will say "oh no, don't talk about politics it will cause division", but talking about it doesn't cause division, it is already there.

It's the wrong place is a another argument. But where is the right place? I will go full mental in a pub if someone is talking bollocks, in my house, in the street - anywhere that isn't the house of the bollocks speaker. This is not a bollocks speaker's home, nor is the Internet, they are public spaces and bollocks speaking can and should be countered with full mental responses. Of course if someone thinks I am talking bollocks they can and should go full-mental on me.

If cunts can only respond to a sensible, non insulting post with soundbites and stupid fucking pictures - that is how idiots who are too lazy even to string a sentence together on Twitter debate issues these days then I will call them cunts and in my twisted opinion I cannot be accused of being disrespectful to someone who does not deserve any respect. If they want to call me a cunt back then that will amuse me greatly.

I'm a little surprised by your post Dorset.
Being so quickly & blatantly dismissive of those words speaks volumes.
Offers a lot more insight.

First of all, I'm not referring to people "talking bollocks".
I'm talking about basic respect for a fellow human being.

By your own admission, when you first meet someone you've never heard of, you don't respect them. Right? Because they would need to earn your respect.

My belief is respecting others is simply a common decency. You offer respect because you value people. On the most elementary level, kids even know this, if you are not respectful of someone, then you are being disrespectful of them. Being disrespectful is divisive. It creates a chasm between you & them. An Us vs Them mentality if you will. Something you've been harping on about. It leads to prohibiting understanding between one another. Yet understanding leads to compassion. Compassion is something that can alleviate many of the ills of this world.

But when you refuse to understand one another you risk more conflict.

Ask yourself this: does conflict follow you around?

If you're not part of the solution...


Trust may need to be earned. But respect?! Give me a break.

 

[Dorset]

I'm a little surprised by your post Dorset.
Being so quickly & blatantly dismissive of those words speaks volumes.
Offers a lot more insight.

First of all, I'm not referring to people "talking bollocks".
I'm talking about basic respect for a fellow human being.

By your own admission, when you first meet someone you've never heard of, you don't respect them. Right? Because they would need to earn your respect.

My belief is respecting others is simply a common decency. You offer respect because you value people. On the most elementary level, kids even know this, if you are not respectful of someone, then you are being disrespectful of them. Being disrespectful is divisive. It creates a chasm between you & them. An Us vs Them mentality if you will. Something you've been harping on about. It leads to prohibiting understanding between one another. Yet understanding leads to compassion. Compassion is something that can alleviate many of the ills of this world.

But when you refuse to understand one another you risk more conflict.

Ask yourself this: does conflict follow you around?

If you're not part of the solution...


Trust may need to be earned. But respect?! Give me a break.

Once agin I say bollocks. You want to apply your values and beliefs to me, how disrespectful! Luckily I'm not bothered.

How is respecting someone just because they happen to be alive 'common decency'? Yet another slogan from you - 'if you'e not part of the solution..." , yeah like you say, give me a break. You sound like a self-help book, ask myself "does conflict follow you around?" . Patronising, bollocks.

I am glad I have offered you some insight, you carry on understanding and being compassionate, and I will carry on following my own beliefs without your morally superior help and guidance which you can keep ta very much.

 

[Style And Glory]

Once agin I say bollocks. You want to apply your values and beliefs to me, how disrespectful! Luckily I'm not bothered.

How is respecting someone just because they happen to be alive 'common decency'? Yet another slogan from you - 'if you'e not part of the solution..." , yeah like you say, give me a break. You sound like a self-help book, ask myself "does conflict follow you around?" . Patronising, bollocks.

I am glad I have offered you some insight, you carry on understanding and being compassionate, and I will carry on following my own beliefs without your morally superior help and guidance which you can keep ta very much.

Fair enough Dorset. I'll leave it at that.
I'll respectfully agree to disagree.

Health & happiness to you.

 

[Dorset]

Fair enough Dorset. I'll leave it at that.
I'll respectfully agree to disagree.

Health & happiness to you.

Mate, my opinion is as bollocks as anyone else's and you can disagree as much as you want, , but I think we have to remember where we are posting this drivel - it is the bar section of a football supporters forum, not a church discussion group. Common decency and respect is not the first thing that comes to mind in a boozer full of Spurs fans.

Imagine we were standing in the pub before a match and someone pipes up about how Sir Bill's immortal quotes were irrelevant to the modern side and we should stop using them. There is no way on earth any of us are going to respect that person out of common decency, he is going to get a serious amount of abuse and he will lucky to leave with his teeth still attached to his gums. Is that wrong? Probably, but it happened (virtually) in the other place and the poor little baa lambs got all upset because I was mean to them and some other blokes, who can own up or not, were also abusive to the cunts.

That bollocks about having rights, demanding respect and complaining when they got some stick was, for me anyway, the reason I ditched that place, not because of the barneys but the whining little girl reactions - and the fact that their rights allowed them to slag the team off constantly. I have been called a cunt more times than I can remember, so what? I don't get all agitated about it and cry myself to sleep.

This thread is the ideal place for a bit of a ruck, most people avoid politics threads and so it is like the rough public bar section, some sawdust on the floor to mop up the blood and the gaffer has a baseball bat behind the counter for if it gets out of hand.

 

[Dorset]

Smeegle is due to do a speech today that outlines in clear terms what she expects Brexit to look like. This will form the path were going to take and in theory will provide a platform for Parliament to make that decision on our behalf.

I'd rather have the opportunity to say myself how I want them to act with a 2nd referendum so I know what I am voting for this time... But I don't think I will get it.

We have to hope our leaders do what's right, and essentially tear this government down.

I listened to the speech, it was long, very long, so very long but I managed to stay awake. What did she say? Fucked if I know. I had to read it again, painful, but someone has to do it.

I think she might have said we need to be in "a" customs union, but not ''the" customs union and it would be called a customs agreement, not a union.

She definitely said “What I set out in the five tests are the five tests I will be setting,”, five shall be the number she shall count, not six or four, unless of course she procedeth to five.

• First, the agreement we reach with the EU must respect the referendum.
• Second, the new agreement we reach with the EU must endure.
• Third, it must protect people’s jobs and security.
• Fourth, it must be consistent with the kind of country we want to be as we leave: a modern, open, outward-looking, tolerant, European democracy.
• And fifth, in doing all of these things, it must strengthen our union of nations and our union of people.

Yep, I was right she didn't say anything at all, just more waffle, five tests?

The first test is stupid because if she didn't respect the referendum then everything else would be irrelevant and she wouldn't have droned on for hours.

The 2nd and 3rd tests are bleedin' obvious, the fourth just waffle and so is the fifth.

At the end she said "let's get on with it" - something she should have done 20 months ago when she lost her snap election and the mandate of the people and had to buy the support of the DUP. The stock market reacted - and the FTSE slumped to its lowest since December 2016, to be fair Trump's mental trade war helped.

I may have completely misunderstood but it seemed to me that she might have suggested that we will have to pay the EU, obey the EU laws (which we would call UK laws) and we will still be bound by the European Court Of Justice but we will call it something else and we will be in a customs union that will be called an agreement - but we definitely leave the EU.

Clear as mud.

 

[Style And Glory]

Mate, my opinion is as bollocks as anyone else's and you can disagree as much as you want, , but I think we have to remember where we are posting this drivel - it is the bar section of a football supporters forum, not a church discussion group. Common decency and respect is not the first thing that comes to mind in a boozer full of Spurs fans.

Imagine we were standing in the pub before a match and someone pipes up about how Sir Bill's immortal quotes were irrelevant to the modern side and we should stop using them. There is no way on earth any of us are going to respect that person out of common decency, he is going to get a serious amount of abuse and he will lucky to leave with his teeth still attached to his gums. Is that wrong? Probably, but it happened (virtually) in the other place and the poor little baa lambs got all upset because I was mean to them and some other blokes, who can own up or not, were also abusive to the cunts.

That bollocks about having rights, demanding respect and complaining when they got some stick was, for me anyway, the reason I ditched that place, not because of the barneys but the whining little girl reactions - and the fact that their rights allowed them to slag the team off constantly. I have been called a cunt more times than I can remember, so what? I don't get all agitated about it and cry myself to sleep.

This thread is the ideal place for a bit of a ruck, most people avoid politics threads and so it is like the rough public bar section, some sawdust on the floor to mop up the blood and the gaffer has a baseball bat behind the counter for if it gets out of hand.

Dorset, I wasn't so much interested in the 'talking bollocks' stuff as in a pub or a forum's bar. I get that.

I was curious to your "people have to earn my respect" comment which essentially means "I don't respect you upon meeting you". That's the essence of the discussion. It's not that I don't respect your view. I just don't get why someone would take that approach. Just trying to understand.

I'm far from being a choirboy or a Buddhist but my view of this is that when I meet someone for the first time, I don't know their story. I don't know where they come from or how they got here. But I'll give them the benefit of the doubt by respecting them first. How they come across after that & how I interpret it drives the story from there. I may or may not like what I see or hear, but I will continue to be respectful even if I dislike the person. That's just my upbringing & I've yet to become jaded by life.

In a previous post, you spoke of me having a morally superior attitude. That's your view. It's OK.
What I'll say next is by no means me trying to take a shot at you. Just an observation.

Stop and take a look at how you appear to others through your comments..

The message I'm getting from you is that your view is: "I don't care who you are. Impress me & then, & only then, I'll give you my respect" as if others have to jump through your perceived important hoops & barrels for acceptance (is dignity &/or even kindness included in your greeting package?). So, in this light, who has the appearance of a superiority complex? And I'm not saying this in a mean-spirited way. I just don't agree with it & I don't think you are like that either. I sense that in some of your other posts & I let you know that in a PM a few days ago. You have the benefit of wisdom through years & experience. If I'm wrong, let me know (or "have it" in whatever manner you choose ) I'm a big boy.

Anyway, I appreciate you taking the time to respond once again. By doing so, I have a better understanding as you cleared a few things up & in a respectful way. I appreciate that.

We're on a forum here. It's all based on discussion.

Peace & Cheers.

PS my apologies if this is derailing your thread.

 

[Dorset]

Dorset, I wasn't so much interested in the 'talking bollocks' stuff as in a pub or a forum's bar. I get that.

I was curious to your "people have to earn my respect" comment which essentially means "I don't respect you upon meeting you". That's the essence of the discussion. It's not that I don't respect your view. I just don't get why someone would take that approach. Just trying to understand.

I'm far from being a choirboy or a Buddhist but my view of this is that when I meet someone for the first time, I don't know their story. I don't know where they come from or how they got here. But I'll give them the benefit of the doubt by respecting them first. How they come across after that & how I interpret it drives the story from there. I may or may not like what I see or hear, but I will continue to be respectful even if I dislike the person. That's just my upbringing & I've yet to become jaded by life.

In a previous post, you spoke of me having a morally superior attitude. That's your view. It's OK.
What I'll say next is by no means me trying to take a shot at you. Just an observation.

Stop and take a look at how you appear to others through your comments..

The message I'm getting from you is that your view is: "I don't care who you are. Impress me & then, & only then, I'll give you my respect" as if others have to jump through your perceived important hoops & barrels for acceptance (is dignity &/or even kindness included in your greeting package?). So, in this light, who has the appearance of a superiority complex? And I'm not saying this in a mean-spirited way. I just don't agree with it & I don't think you are like that either. I sense that in some of your other posts & I let you know that in a PM a few days ago. You have the benefit of wisdom through years & experience. If I'm wrong, let me know (or "have it" in whatever manner you choose ) I'm a big boy.

Anyway, I appreciate you taking the time to respond once again. By doing so, I have a better understanding as you cleared a few things up & in a respectful way. I appreciate that.

We're on a forum here. It's all based on discussion.

Peace & Cheers.

PS my apologies if this is derailing your thread.

This is fun - let's play!

"Stop and take a look at how you appear to others through your comments.." Righy ho if you don't think that is demonstrates a condescending and morally superior attitude then you are more mental then me. What a load of bollocks. I am starting to think that you are even better at this game than me., but the key is turning and I'm not wound up yet, so maybe not.

You are not entirely correct when you say I don't give people any respect until they have earned it, I am totally neutral, no respect, no disrespect, but this jolly conversation started presumably because I 'disrespected' someone I think is a total twat, different kettle of fish entirely. You started this off with some gonads about 'respect for a fellow human being' as if just because that person was a human being I should respect him. Just for the sake of giggles and being totally over the top I am going to say that Mr Hitler, Mr Stailn, Mr Farage and Mr Pot were all human beings would "understanding and compassion" to these blokes fit in with your moral superiority?

My wisdom and experience as you so incorrectly put it (because I have about as much wisdom as a toaster) shows me that everybody is a total cunt, including and especially me. But why would they care if I don't respect them? I don't care if they don't respect me, and I am totally not arsed about how I appear to others, never have been and I say whatI think, usually without bothering to think first, saves a lot of time.

The difference between us I think if I think someone is a cunt I will tell them that I think they are a cunt, you would try and understand them and be polite, wouldn't the world be boring if we were all the same?

 

[Style And Glory]

This is fun - let's play!

"Stop and take a look at how you appear to others through your comments.." Righy ho if you don't think that is demonstrates a condescending and morally superior attitude then you are more mental then me. What a load of bollocks. I am starting to think that you are even better at this game than me., but the key is turning and I'm not wound up yet, so maybe not.

You are not entirely correct when you say I don't give people any respect until they have earned it, I am totally neutral, no respect, no disrespect, but this jolly conversation started presumably because I 'disrespected' someone I think is a total twat, different kettle of fish entirely. You started this off with some gonads about 'respect for a fellow human being' as if just because that person was a human being I should respect him. Just for the sake of giggles and being totally over the top I am going to say that Mr Hitler, Mr Stailn, Mr Farage and Mr Pot were all human beings would "understanding and compassion" to these blokes fit in with your moral superiority?

My wisdom and experience as you so incorrectly put it (because I have about as much wisdom as a toaster) shows me that everybody is a total cunt, including and especially me. But why would they care if I don't respect them? I don't care if they don't respect me, and I am totally not arsed about how I appear to others, never have been and I say whatI think, usually without bothering to think first, saves a lot of time.

The difference between us I think if I think someone is a cunt I will tell them that I think they are a cunt, you would try and understand them and be polite, wouldn't the world be boring if we were all the same?

LOL
OK. I tried.
I now understand that you are a self proclaimed cunt. Or is that with a capital C? No disrespect.

Sorry if I tried to shake your faith in that.

 

[Dorset]

Let's move this thread back on topic and get back to the fascinating world of UK politics.

I am going to put forward a political theory for discussion. My theory is that the Tory party is a bunch of fantasist elite cunts who want to make the rich richer and fuck the poor, and the labour party is the same except they are fantasist cunts whose outdated policies will make everyone poorer.

We are so ingrained in our daft two party system that a middle ground alterntive would have no chance of toppling either of these from power. The FPTP system ensures that we have a bunch of cunts or a bunch of wankers running the country and whichever party is in charge they represent their party not the people who voted for them.

I would like to see a system where MPs work for their constituents, in these days where everybody and his dog have a smart phone crammed full of apps it would be a piece of piss to knock up a system where MPs had to ask what their local people wanted them to do on every major issue and vote in the commons based on what us, their employers tell them. We have a system where every 5 years they tell us a load of lies, we vote them in, then they do whatever the fuck they want.

At the very least I want a system where millions of votes are not pointless, I live in a traditionally Tory area, most of the residents of Dorset think Mussolini was too left wing and socialism is the same as satanism, they're not keen on that either. My vote is useless as is the vote of a Tory in the 'safe' Labour strongholds. How the fuck can we call that a democracy? The two big powers are obviously not going to change the system, because they would lose their stranglehold on power, it would like millions of voters deciding to fuck the country up the arse by deciding to abandon the best trade deal in the history of the world and to give away our influence and stability in the bit of the planet we sit on because they believed a bunch of lies - that could never happen could it?

When I see MPs howling and catcalling in the commons and acting like a bunch of public school wankers, I get umpty as fuck. The money wasted having them in a crumbling old building in London, endlessly debating stuff that they will never agree on and stealing millions in expenses because they all need second homes even if they already own 6 fucking houses gets right on my thrupnies. It would cost about £20 quid (maybe a couple of quid more) to set up a video conferencing system so they could carry on their pointless arguments, not the fucking billions it costs now. The system is perfectly adequate if you like that total cunt Rees-Mogg are living in the 19th century, but in the real world it is the 21st century.