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[Dorset]

Nice dodging of my point though. I'm also not going to get into how privileged that example is, by the way... I'm sure if I dig back I can find other reasons why, but that one really is a joke surely?

Out of interest, the Police are currently investigating whether calling someone is a Nazi is a hate crime after what happened with Anna Soubry



For the record, I voted remain and when I did a political compass recently ended up as a slightly left leaning libertarian. Couldn't be much further away from either extreme, me.

Did I dodge your point, not sorry. I call a nazi a nazi and any organisation that campaigns against muslims and spreads disgusting lies to promote hatred and violence against any group which is different racially or religiously - ie: the FLA ARE nazis, and I am absolutely, 100% sure, anyone who disagrees can do some research, but that is too much effort for most people.. I have fought nazis on the streets, back in the 70's when the nazi NF tried to march through my home town, and I will carry on fighting the evil bastards, although these days it has to be with words, because physically I am done..

I concede that some Brexit voters are not nazis and I don't think I called them that, maybe I did. They are of course nationalists which is a gnats gonad pube away. I am a patriot, which is different, the nationalism they support is so close to facism - again the disbelievers could do some research and found out what folks like Mosely and Mussolini spewed out - that it is, in my mind facsism.

MY point is that all extremism starts small, people won't talk about it because its politics or they turn a blind eye, then nationalism gradually becomes facism and naziism.

 

[Dorset]

People of my generation don't buy diesel cars, nothing to Khan. Spreading one form of fake news to get overcome another form of fake news just makes you look out of touch. China just aren't buying them as much as expected. It's neither brexit or sadiq khans fault.

JLR say that Brexit IS a part of the reason they are ditching the jobs. Of course it's not the entire reason but their 'whataboutery' is a pathetic argument. There are many factors involved, blaming Khan is obviously one of the more pathetic claims from the hard of thinking sector.

 

[corroded]

I am a patriot, which is different, the nationalism they support is so close to facism - again the disbelievers could do some research and found out what folks like Mosely and Mussolini spewed out - that it is, in my mind facsism.

So a Brexit voter is always a nationalist. None are patriots? Just almost Nazis. Riiiiight

You're doing some wonderful mental gymnastics here.

Both Moseley and Mussolini were members of parties literally containing the word Fascist... I don't think there's any dispute if they were Nationalists or Fascists. Either way, not every Fascist is even a Nazi. I think you'll find this is the point Pie was trying to make.

MY point is that all extremism starts small, people won't talk about it because its politics or they turn a blind eye, then nationalism gradually becomes fascism and naziism.

It doesn't help when people go round yelling Nazi at people who don't like immigration though. I mean, maybe they are Nationalists some of them... maybe even some of them are Fascists... but the likelihood of any of them being actual Nazi is not very high. I mean, at best you'll find some neo Nazis. I mean, you'd have more ground to stand on if you called someone a Fascist.

Surely you must agree the word Nazi is overused, even the fucking right wingers are calling remain MPs Nazis? Does that make any sense what so ever? Of course it doesn't. But the term is so diluted now, it's just a socially acceptable way of saying cunt.

I mean, I'm not going to say you can't call someone a Nazi, it just has no fucking basis in reality and makes you look like a moron, but whatever ... you can do what you like.

I don't see a right wing state here, if there was an election tomorrow the most socialist candidate we've had since the 70's would win... one with some highly Venezuelan economic ideas . We're in far better positions ideologically than a lot of countries even in Europe, with regards to the right wing... though, in my opinion we're so worried about the right, no one is questioning Corbyn... because if I think you're deluded, Corbyn is on an entirely different level.

 

[Wotspur]

We should absolutely have another referendum, unfortunately it’s highly unlikely. A fairly large percentage who voted to leave, voted that way as a protest vote, which to be honest I kind of understand but many of those voters, are now aware that they made a huge mistake. They should be given the right to right their wrongs!!
What else utterly dumbfounded me yesterday, was that I was speaking to a rather elderly lady, she’s semi related and we were talking about Brexit and I asked her what she voted, and she replied leave, I asked why, she replied, i’m sick of these ‘foreigners’ exhausting our nhs, taking jobs etc. I replied by telling her the benefits that eu workers bring to our economy, she replied, not the ones from Europe...wtf! So I told her that what you voted for, is essentially to get rid of those workers that play an enormous part in helping this country and you want to open the floodgates to the very ‘foreigners’ that you want rid of. The uninitiated and uninformed have potentially ruined this country for years to come and this is absolute bollocks! Can’t blame them entirely, they were force fed lies by politicians that are expected to help the country, not self serving wankers putting the future health of this country at risk due, to their own personal gain and the brexiteers want their sovereignty back!!

I don’t know any of my colleagues at work , and as we all work independently and are nationwide , not one woud change their mind , nor would any of my family nor my drinking buddies , the Remainers haven’t come up with anything concrete just rhetoric and you’re a Nazi , you’re wrong , shite, ie the economy will crash , from the same group who said we shou,d prop up the ErM , until we ran out of money and we shou,d join the Euro , in hindsight most who know , agree we’d be more fecked than we are if we had joined up
Well to me anyone who spouts that , are the real Fascists , after all the National Socialists or the Nazis were left wing .......where as most people who think Brexiteeers are Right wing Fascists , sorry you can’t have it both ways .
And to be a patriot , without worrying about how the country is changing is behaving like an ostrich . whilst multi culturism has benefitted Britain the extra 10m people in the last 10 years is too big an expansion on such a small island , and many have come from Europe it’s just too many peoples , and to Not worry about the Rise of Islam and the rise in crime in certain communities ,isn’t a worry , then instead of moving abroad move yourself and family to Bradford, Rotherham or Dewsbury and see how you get accepted .......remember Woking where I grew up had the first Mosque in Britain and so I grew up and went to school with many of them , than say Dorset , where I’ve never seen hardly any on my numerous visits .

 

[Yid]

The facts are our there. There are countless literary articles, some cited in this thread.

The trouble is, most people would rather not be told they were wrong. Or to be more accurate, admit they were wrong. That's human nature.

There are countless studies that show whatever deal we leave the EU on, normal working class people will be worse off.

No one u know voted for that.

I'm sure most people who have listened and been sold the dream of a self reliant, powerful Britain want just that. Fuck it sounds great, I'd have a double scoop of that please.

The trouble is, it's a fucking fantasy. We're a poxy island that exploited our place within Europe for 50 years. We were a tax favourable gateway for the rest of the world to trade with Europe.

Let's not kid that leaving Europe will fix immigration. Most of the immigrants come from outside of Europe and will continue to come in even greater numbers to fill the void of those who we have unceremoniously fucked off with their tails between their legs becuse we don't like their flavour any more.

What doesn't help is that much cleverer people have been employed by people with a very murky agendas and a duxkinf boat load of cash to key into people's unconscious bias.

We all have unconscious bias, and it usually surprises us when we discover that we are bias. When we explore where this bias comes from its usually inherited or based on key events in our life. It too, is human nature and uncomfortable.

This is the key to the argument that links the right leaning, far right leaning, fascist leaning groups. Politics has been hijacked and no one has taken to speaking out about those links to distance the different groups.

Roll on Tuesday, because our future, whatever it is will.start to take some shape. And we can start to rebuild our shattered country.

 

[Chavhater01]

I don’t know any of my colleagues at work , and as we all work independently and are nationwide , not one woud change their mind , nor would any of my family nor my drinking buddies , the Remainers haven’t come up with anything concrete just rhetoric and you’re a Nazi , you’re wrong , shite, ie the economy will crash , from the same group who said we shou,d prop up the ErM , until we ran out of money and we shou,d join the Euro , in hindsight most who know , agree we’d be more fecked than we are if we had joined up
Well to me anyone who spouts that , are the real Fascists , after all the National Socialists or the Nazis were left wing .......where as most people who think Brexiteeers are Right wing Fascists , sorry you can’t have it both ways .
And to be a patriot , without worrying about how the country is changing is behaving like an ostrich . whilst multi culturism has benefitted Britain the extra 10m people in the last 10 years is too big an expansion on such a small island , and many have come from Europe it’s just too many peoples , and to Not worry about the Rise of Islam and the rise in crime in certain communities ,isn’t a worry , then instead of moving abroad move yourself and family to Bradford, Rotherham or Dewsbury and see how you get accepted .......remember Woking where I grew up had the first Mosque in Britain and so I grew up and went to school with many of them , than say Dorset , where I’ve never seen hardly any on my numerous visits .

I'm not getting involved in all the fascist/Nazi talk. There are many people who voted leave who had/have a legitimate reason for wanting to leave without being Fascists or Nazis.

However to believe there isn't a small(ish) percentage of ppl who voted leave who aren't racists, is naive to say the least. I love my country but i'd much rather have an EU worker in the NHS living here, than some fucked up Englishman, who's had 14 children with 8 different women, who bleeds our welfare system dry. Every argument the Leave side come up with, as a benefit to leaving, has little or no credibility...

- I want to control our borders, we already have the ability to control our borders to some extent, there are i believe, just as many non EU immigrants than there are EU here and it's a fact that they pay more in tax than they claim in Welfare.

- We give the EU £14 odd billion a year, but of that we also receive grants and rebates from that figure, so we barely give the EU much more than £6/7 billion a year a tiny percentage (about 1%?) of what the government spends per year and if we left the EU, that money we save, would be spent on the same things we spend the rebates on anyway.

- We let the faceless European parliament make up rules for us without a say, again, that as far as i'm aware is nonsense, we have MEP's who sit in the European parliament who have the ability to No to any bill, reform etc.

For me the single most important reason for staying in the EU is the economy, especially in the short to mid term. From all the research done by pretty much every financial institution unequivocally states that our economy will be worse off for leaving the EU, of course it's conjecture, as we've never left the EU before, so there's nothing to fall back on, but the people doing the research are generally the top of their fields, so tough to go against their findings. I'm not even going to bother with my concerns for our domestic government running a no deal Brexit country, of course we're not going to descend into the dark ages but for us to make a no deal Brexit work, it would need a government to know exactly what it's doing and to be run harmoniously, do i see any party out there capable of that, DO I FUCK!!

 

[Wotspur]

I'm not getting involved in all the fascist/Nazi talk. There are many people who voted leave who had/have a legitimate reason for wanting to leave without being Fascists or Nazis.

However to believe there isn't a small(ish) percentage of ppl who voted leave who aren't racists, is naive to say the least. I love my country but i'd much rather have an EU worker in the NHS living here, than some fucked up Englishman, who's had 14 children with 8 different women, who bleeds our welfare system dry. Every argument the Leave side come up with, as a benefit to leaving, has little or no credibility...

- I want to control our borders, we already have the ability to control our borders to some extent, there are i believe, just as many non EU immigrants than there are EU here and it's a fact that they pay more in tax than they claim in Welfare.

- We give the EU £14 odd billion a year, but of that we also receive grants and rebates from that figure, so we barely give the EU much more than £6/7 billion a year a tiny percentage (about 1%?) of what the government spends per year and if we left the EU, that money we save, would be spent on the same things we spend the rebates on anyway.

- We let the faceless European parliament make up rules for us without a say, again, that as far as i'm aware is nonsense, we have MEP's who sit in the European parliament who have the ability to No to any bill, reform etc.

For me the single most important reason for staying in the EU is the economy, especially in the short to mid term. From all the research done by pretty much every financial institution unequivocally states that our economy will be worse off for leaving the EU, of course it's conjecture, as we've never left the EU before, so there's nothing to fall back on, but the people doing the research are generally the top of their fields, so tough to go against their findings. I'm not even going to bother with my concerns for our domestic government running a no deal Brexit country, of course we're not going to descend into the dark ages but for us to make a no deal Brexit work, it would need a government to know exactly what it's doing and to be run harmoniously, do i see any party out there capable of that, DO I FUCK!!

Thanks Chav , a good response without name calling .
My only concern with what you said was “ these people at the top of their games , with a Cunning professorship of cunning “ are the same groups and people’s , who said the ERM and the Euro wou,d be good , and that if we voted to leave , there wou,d be a major crash , we’ll 21 months in , there has been no crash , certainly not worse than Black Monday and Zblack Wednesday or when brown sold off the Gold .
I agree , we don’t have a decent politician out there who are passionate about what they say .
Tony Benn was brilliant politician , I might not have agreed with all he said , but I knew he was passionate about it and he believed in it , and he was very anti Europe .
That Anna Soubry is hypocrite of the highest order , she was pro leaving a few years back , and now is a Remainer , Blair back in the 90’s was a strong leaver , now he can’t wait to become a President

 

[Don Diaz]

That Anna Soubry is hypocrite of the highest order , she was pro leaving a few years back , and now is a Remainer , Blair back in the 90’s was a strong leaver , now he can’t wait to become a President

I said I’d left this thread, but just wanted to ask whether there is a possibility, based on the above comment, that these people have simply changed their mind? Based on the overwhelming evidence? I think it’s ok to change your mind isn’t it and realise that slogans and anecdotes on buses and Farage might have been wrong all along. Just a thought.

 

[Motspur Hotspur]

The one silver lining I can find is this whole Brexit shit show is that the self proclaimed 'political elite' have no where else to hide, which ever way this goes the people are going to be asking some serious questions and paying a lot more attention to the politicians.

I said I’d left this thread, but just wanted to ask whether there is a possibility, based on the above comment, that these people have simply changed their mind? Based on the overwhelming evidence? I think it’s ok to change your mind isn’t it and realise that slogans and anecdotes on buses and Farage might have been wrong all along. Just a thought.

Only if she comes out and actually says she has changed her mind, otherwise she's just the usual snakey politician.

 

[Dorset]

So a Brexit voter is always a nationalist. None are patriots? Just almost Nazis. Riiiiight

You're doing some wonderful mental gymnastics here.

Both Moseley and Mussolini were members of parties literally containing the word Fascist... I don't think there's any dispute if they were Nationalists or Fascists. Either way, not every Fascist is even a Nazi. I think you'll find this is the point Pie was trying to make.



It doesn't help when people go round yelling Nazi at people who don't like immigration though. I mean, maybe they are Nationalists some of them... maybe even some of them are Fascists... but the likelihood of any of them being actual Nazi is not very high. I mean, at best you'll find some neo Nazis. I mean, you'd have more ground to stand on if you called someone a Fascist.

Surely you must agree the word Nazi is overused, even the fucking right wingers are calling remain MPs Nazis? Does that make any sense what so ever? Of course it doesn't. But the term is so diluted now, it's just a socially acceptable way of saying cunt.

I mean, I'm not going to say you can't call someone a Nazi, it just has no fucking basis in reality and makes you look like a moron, but whatever ... you can do what you like.

I don't see a right wing state here, if there was an election tomorrow the most socialist candidate we've had since the 70's would win... one with some highly Venezuelan economic ideas . We're in far better positions ideologically than a lot of countries even in Europe, with regards to the right wing... though, in my opinion we're so worried about the right, no one is questioning Corbyn... because if I think you're deluded, Corbyn is on an entirely different level.

OK so you're not bothering with my reply, I told you who the nazis are and why - but you're not bothered are you? I stand by what I said, any organisation that promotes hatred against any other group and blames them for everything is in my mind a nazi organisation. I think you'll find I have been just as critical of Corbyn as I have of the right wing facist element - again, I explained why I think they are facists.. Not bothered? OK.

 

[Rev John Ripsher]

OK so you're not bothering with my reply, I told you who the nazis are and why - but you're not bothered are you? I stand by what I said, any organisation that promotes hatred against any other group and blames them for everything is in my mind a nazi organisation. I think you'll find I have been just as critical of Corbyn as I have of the right wing facist element - again, I explained why I think they are facists.. Not bothered? OK.

You sound like you have been properly groomed, utterly brainwashed. You are the one promoting hatred on here. Can't see it? Not bothered, OK?

 

[Dorset]

In 2017, YouGov recorded that 61% of Leave voters thought that significant damage to the British economy would be a price worth paying for bringing Britain out of the EU. A plurality thought that Brexit causing you or members of your family to lose their job to be a price worth paying for bringing Britain out of the EU. Last summer we had a poll showing that 58% of Leave voters rated Britain leaving the EU as more important than maintaining peace in Northern Ireland.

This last week we found out that more than half of Leave supporters would see a 30% drop in house prices as a price worth paying for Brexit. A third of Leave supporters would accept an 8% fall in GDP. So to be clear, roughly 1 in 6 voters are prepared for a crash more severe than any in living memory for Brexit.

The absolute definition of insanity.

 

[Rev John Ripsher]

The absolute definition of insanity.

Is you posting this crap on here and hoping to be believed.

 

[Wotspur]

The absolute definition of insanity.

Is you posting this crap on here and hoping to be believed.

The Definintion of Insanity , is doing the same thing year after year and expecting to get a different result

The EU will get bigger and more beaurcrats and more unelected presidents and parasites
Or , hoping that by staying in the EU it will change , and start working for everyone in a fair way . Ie Italy Spain Portugal and Greece contribute the same as Britain and they retire at the same age ..... I mean do people in Texas retire at different age to people in Maine

 

[Motspur Hotspur]

Reading about the miners strike but fuck me this stands out.

"A fight back against this Government's policies will inevitably take place outside rather than inside Parliament. When I talk about 'extra-parliamentary action' there is a great outcry in the press and from leading Tories about my refusal to accept the democratic will of the people. I am not prepared to accept policies elected by a minority of the British electorate. I am not prepared quietly to accept the destruction of the coal industry, nor am I willing to see our social services decimated. This totally undemocratic Government can now easily push through whatever laws it chooses. Faced with possible parliamentary destruction of all that is good and compassionate in our society, extra-parliamentary action will be the only course open to the working class and the Labour movement.[31] "

 

[Liam]

The Definintion of Insanity , is doing the same thing year after year and expecting to get a different result

The EU will get bigger and more beaurcrats and more unelected presidents and parasites
Or , hoping that by staying in the EU it will change , and start working for everyone in a fair way . Ie Italy Spain Portugal and Greece contribute the same as Britain and they retire at the same age ..... I mean do people in Texas retire at different age to people in Maine

I don't really post in this thread as I get political enough on my fb page as you already know but have to mention that non of my family in Greece are retired and there are loads of them in their mid to late 60s so dunno why you think they're all retiring young. If anything I hear a lot of young people asking for their elders to take their retirement as there's fuck all jobs for young people out there. Literally don't know any retired old Greek folk, other than a war hero with one leg. I know people in their 80s still out in the vineyards working most of the year. It's rubbish to think that stuff is going on. They also contributed everything, literally everything to the eu. When they got "bailouts" they were massively asset stripped which makes it harder to make a profit as many ports are now owned by the Germans and they are having to pay crippling rates of interest on the "bailouts" from the EU and IMF (even after having assets stolen) they're literally paying so much into the EU at the moment they've not much left for themselves.

 

[Rev John Ripsher]

This totally undemocratic Government can now easily push through whatever laws it chooses.

Well quoted, Sir. But... every government in office with an overall majority can do this very thing.

 

[Liam]

Well quoted, Sir. But... every government in office with an overall majority can do this very thing.

This government didn't win an overall majority tbough, they bribed a bunch of loons to get a slender majority.

 

[Dorset]

I don't really post in this thread as I get political enough on my fb page as you already know but have to mention that non of my family in Greece are retired and there are loads of them in their mid to late 60s so dunno why you think they're all retiring young. If anything I hear a lot of young people asking for their elders to take their retirement as there's fuck all jobs for young people out there. Literally don't know any retired old Greek folk, other than a war hero with one leg. I know people in their 80s still out in the vineyards working most of the year. It's rubbish to think that stuff is going on. They also contributed everything, literally everything to the eu. When they got "bailouts" they were massively asset stripped which makes it harder to make a profit as many ports are now owned by the Germans and they are having to pay crippling rates of interest on the "bailouts" from the EU and IMF (even after having assets stolen) they're literally paying so much into the EU at the moment they've not much left for themselves.

I'm not sure what Greece has to do with Brexit. Are you saying that the EU caused Greece's problems? If so you are wrong. If you are suggesting that the UK could become like Greece if it stayed in the EU then again - wrong. We are not in the Euro, never will be/would be .The problems in Greece were triggered by many factors, the worldwide recession which could be blamed mostly on the USA, government mismanagement, failure to collect taxes, over-borrowing, fraud, corruption and misreporting by the Greek authorities., tax evasion and a huge black economy. In 2018 Greece were granted a 10 year extension on their debt repayments along with a waiver of interest and amortisation - that does not sound like ze Germans trying to cripple the country - and the debt to 'ze Gremans' is actually to ECB, IMF and a European government-sponsored fund, so what Greece has to do with the Brexit price of fish I don't know.

 

[Rev John Ripsher]

a bunch of loons

I think the whole lot of them are infected with some kind of collective madness, to be honest, Liam. I mean it has been said that it needs a proper statesmanlike speech drawing them all together for the common good, but even though there have been some great speeches, no one is listening. Many of them don't seem to realise that they are ripe for deselection come the next election.

 

[Dorset]

I thought to myself that I should maybe step back a little and do a bit of the old critical thinking malarky about the people I am being beastly to.

I used to teach a critical thinking course to gullible university students who believed every word their lecturers told them, without checking or any research, the sort of thing that would get your assignment a big fat fail when you used 'because someone told me it was true' as a reference. My course got binned obviously when all the other lecturers went whingeing to the admin office that it was becoming impossible to deliver their ill-prepared, badly researched lectures to students who would actually bother to verify the crap they were being sold.

OK, that was boring eh? But I like to waffle on when no fucker is listening, it's a form of therapy and stops the voices telling me to do the bad things. Back to whatever the fuck I was talking about. Applying some critical thinking I have come to the conclusion that it isn't just racists, nazis and facists who support Brexit, there are cunts as well. Also there are people who don't understand really basic facts, the sort of simple arithmetic that a fucking child would have no problem with, fantasists who probably believe in god and ghosts and read nazi supporting newspapers like the 'Hoorah for the blackshirts' Daily Mail' or the disgustingly racist Express - like I said cunts. We mustn't forget the hard of thinking people who get their 'facts' from Twitter, Facebook and Youtube, or as I like to call them cunts.

I am not bothered if anyone gets upset that I call enemies of the people Nazis or cunts, actually that is a very mild sort of reaction to people who commit acts of harm against my family. Taking away the freedom of movement my grand-children have a fucking right to because they are cunts, nazis, racists of just fucking stupid deserves something far more. Lowering my grand-children's prospects and making them poorer, is in my opinion an attack on my family which I will not stand for and will retaliate against forever, calling these cunts nazis is not getting anywhere near what I want to do.

I am not suggesting that these modern day nazis are as bad (yet) as the nazis that many of that evil nazi cunt Robinson's supporters worship, of course not. Like when folks say I am the same as Stalin and call me a commie bastard because of my left-wing views is off the mark, I would accept Commie bastard, that's a fair comment, I would prefer Socialist cunt, but Stalinist? Nah, a bit Marxist, but a lot of his ideas were pony, a bit Engelsist but he could be a total cunt as well. I don’t get all uppity and offended if people call me or anyone else like me a Stalinist and I am not bothered about floks thinking I am a cunt for calling people Nazis. Iif anybody would bother checking the 25 point National Socialist Program against the extreme Brexit supporters goals then you might find some striking similarities - and to be fair as I have been accused of being a Corbyn apologist, there is a lot of stuff that would fit nicely in the current Labour party manifesto.

Fucking nazis, left or right wing, cunts all of them and I don’t care if I upset a few people with my name calling, this is a civil war and if calling people nazis is the worst that happens then I will be surprised.

 

[Liam]

I'm not sure what Greece has to do with Brexit. Are you saying that the EU caused Greece's problems? If so you are wrong. If you are suggesting that the UK could become like Greece if it stayed in the EU then again - wrong. We are not in the Euro, never will be/would be .The problems in Greece were triggered by many factors, the worldwide recession which could be blamed mostly on the USA, government mismanagement, failure to collect taxes, over-borrowing, fraud, corruption and misreporting by the Greek authorities., tax evasion and a huge black economy. In 2018 Greece were granted a 10 year extension on their debt repayments along with a waiver of interest and amortisation - that does not sound like ze Germans trying to cripple the country - and the debt to 'ze Gremans' is actually to ECB, IMF and a European government-sponsored fund, so what Greece has to do with the Brexit price of fish I don't know.

Dunno what your on about now Dorset, I was meant to quote Wotspurs comment about the Greeks not putting anything into the EU which was followed by him suggesting they all retire at a young age too. I've a Greek Mrs, half Greek child, 50-60 Greek friends and go over there 2 or 3 times a year and have been for a decade now I'm fully aware of everything you just said, not sure why your telling me. Might be an idea to ease off the trigger finger as although I often agree with the content of what you're saying, you often come across as just a belligerent old Malaka with nothing to do with his time... ease off mate, I'm fully aware what's happening there. I'm told by many on almost daily basis. If you see the issues austerity is causing over there and the huge brain drain it has caused with your own eyes by visiting places outside the tourist resorts and speaking with people young and old you'll start to get an idea of how they're getting fucked. Austerity is biting hard, a lot harder than here.

 

[Liam]

Yes, why did I get involved in this thread....

 

[Don Diaz]

Yes, why did I get involved in this thread....

Ha ha.....it sucks you in mate, then you realise that we are all opinionated individuals, with little in common apart from we all love Spurs. Beauty is you can read it agree or disagree and dip in and out if you want. Open forum, good.

 

[Don Diaz]

I'm not sure what Greece has to do with Brexit. Are you saying that the EU caused Greece's problems? If so you are wrong. If you are suggesting that the UK could become like Greece if it stayed in the EU then again - wrong. We are not in the Euro, never will be/would be .The problems in Greece were triggered by many factors, the worldwide recession which could be blamed mostly on the USA, government mismanagement, failure to collect taxes, over-borrowing, fraud, corruption and misreporting by the Greek authorities., tax evasion and a huge black economy. In 2018 Greece were granted a 10 year extension on their debt repayments along with a waiver of interest and amortisation - that does not sound like ze Germans trying to cripple the country - and the debt to 'ze Gremans' is actually to ECB, IMF and a European government-sponsored fund, so what Greece has to do with the Brexit price of fish I don't know.

Liam was responding to some comments made by Wotspur about Greece and Greek people.

 

[Rev John Ripsher]

But I like to waffle on when no fucker is listening, it's a form of therapy and stops the voices telling me to do the bad things.

Genius, mental disease, and addiction all weave across the same fine line.......

 

[Motspur Hotspur]

I thought to myself that I should maybe step back a little and do a bit of the old critical thinking malarky about the people I am being beastly to.

I used to teach a critical thinking course to gullible university students who believed every word their lecturers told them, without checking or any research, the sort of thing that would get your assignment a big fat fail when you used 'because someone told me it was true' as a reference. My course got binned obviously when all the other lecturers went whingeing to the admin office that it was becoming impossible to deliver their ill-prepared, badly researched lectures to students who would actually bother to verify the crap they were being sold.

OK, that was boring eh? But I like to waffle on when no fucker is listening, it's a form of therapy and stops the voices telling me to do the bad things. Back to whatever the fuck I was talking about. Applying some critical thinking I have come to the conclusion that it isn't just racists, nazis and facists who support Brexit, there are cunts as well. Also there are people who don't understand really basic facts, the sort of simple arithmetic that a fucking child would have no problem with, fantasists who probably believe in god and ghosts and read nazi supporting newspapers like the 'Hoorah for the blackshirts' Daily Mail' or the disgustingly racist Express - like I said cunts. We mustn't forget the hard of thinking people who get their 'facts' from Twitter, Facebook and Youtube, or as I like to call them cunts.

I am not bothered if anyone gets upset that I call enemies of the people Nazis or cunts, actually that is a very mild sort of reaction to people who commit acts of harm against my family. Taking away the freedom of movement my grand-children have a fucking right to because they are cunts, nazis, racists of just fucking stupid deserves something far more. Lowering my grand-children's prospects and making them poorer, is in my opinion an attack on my family which I will not stand for and will retaliate against forever, calling these cunts nazis is not getting anywhere near what I want to do.

I am not suggesting that these modern day nazis are as bad (yet) as the nazis that many of that evil nazi cunt Robinson's supporters worship, of course not. Like when folks say I am the same as Stalin and call me a commie bastard because of my left-wing views is off the mark, I would accept Commie bastard, that's a fair comment, I would prefer Socialist cunt, but Stalinist? Nah, a bit Marxist, but a lot of his ideas were pony, a bit Engelsist but he could be a total cunt as well. I don’t get all uppity and offended if people call me or anyone else like me a Stalinist and I am not bothered about floks thinking I am a cunt for calling people Nazis. Iif anybody would bother checking the 25 point National Socialist Program against the extreme Brexit supporters goals then you might find some striking similarities - and to be fair as I have been accused of being a Corbyn apologist, there is a lot of stuff that would fit nicely in the current Labour party manifesto.

Fucking nazis, left or right wing, cunts all of them and I don’t care if I upset a few people with my name calling, this is a civil war and if calling people nazis is the worst that happens then I will be surprised.

AHA! At last. Edit: see the bold bit.

 

[Rev John Ripsher]

AHA! At last. Edit: see the bold bit.

I knew it would come eventually. It just took some teasing out.

 

[Motspur Hotspur]

I knew it would come eventually. It just took some teasing out.

A you telling me you couldn't see this descending into civil war though? Two sides completely entrenched in their views getting progressively frustrated and hostile toward one another. How many meals is it before society descends into chaos? Two? (can't remember).

It's going to take an almighty slice of give and take before we see any kind of harmonious plan to move forward that's for sure and that's before you even start to consider the international agendas that plague our domestic political views. The web of self interest on everyones part is so complex it's almost impossible to unravel and sort out, I'll give you an example, talking to a bloke at work the other day, Sri Lankan, lived here for years paid taxes etc etc - voted leave - because he was frustrated that EU citizens who work and live here can send benefits home to 'the EU' while his benefits (I think it was chid benefit in this case) was stopped after 3 months [so he couldn't send it to Sri Lanka anymore to family there] - how is that fair he said.

You see, it's a complete fucking horlicks, how on earth can we retrieve anything out of this total shit show with everyone's different agenda playing a part!

 

[Dorset]

Dunno what your on about now Dorset, I was meant to quote Wotspurs comment about the Greeks not putting anything into the EU which was followed by him suggesting they all retire at a young age too. I've a Greek Mrs, half Greek child, 50-60 Greek friends and go over there 2 or 3 times a year and have been for a decade now I'm fully aware of everything you just said, not sure why your telling me. Might be an idea to ease off the trigger finger as although I often agree with the content of what you're saying, you often come across as just a belligerent old Malaka with nothing to do with his time... ease off mate, I'm fully aware what's happening there. I'm told by many on almost daily basis. If you see the issues austerity is causing over there and the huge brain drain it has caused with your own eyes by visiting places outside the tourist resorts and speaking with people young and old you'll start to get an idea of how they're getting fucked. Austerity is biting hard, a lot harder than here.

No mate, sorry, I wasn't casting no aspirations, sorry if it seemed that way, wasn't my intention I know it's awful in Greece and no digs were aimed at you, just my usual considerate cuntlike way of talking.