J.spurs
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I appreciate the sentiment, but he is a reflection of us. Getting rid of the man will never happen until we face the fact that as a people, we are everything he is and more.
Yid
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I disagree with that... Americans are not the problem. There's cunts everywhere... We should know (Brexit)...!!!
He is a symptom of your ideology... In a grotesque caricature kind of way.
He has hijacked the American dream and used it as a weapon... The most disgusting use of it at the expense of millions of others dreams.
It's not just him of course, the constant race to the bottom in education is by design and has been going on for decades as a way to keep the electorate docile. This along with policies that marginalise and divide are all part of the othering that splits the collective responsibility of communities and makes people point at one another as opposed the rich cunts in their castles.
From my perspective, and that is a leftist view, capitalism is in its final throws in America... It's eating itself and everyone else with it.
Marx would have you believe that "the people" would rise up at this point and take their shit back... Now while I'm all up for a bit of pitchforking, an AR15 weilded by a highly trained Marine might make me think twice about storming Mar-a-Largo or whatever cyber castle Elon lives in.
What will it look like, dunno, but the equity has to be placed back into society... I have less cash in my pocket than 15 years ago and I'd wager most people do. None of these elected officials can do anything about that as all their money, our countries money is all owed to this 0.1% club as well.
Does that mean I want a commie, own nothing and be happy situation...? Nah, but when 0.1% of the planets population own over 50% of all the assets, it isn't fucking ok on any fucking level. We need to eat these cunts, and fucking quickly and redistribute their wealth to those with least...
And lads, while I asked a few needling, piss take questions I'm 100% not digging at you, I feel for you fuckers because none of you voted for this... And if you did, you're a cunt anyway and I wouldn't care a fuck about you.
BrooklynYid
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You get the government you deserve, and we are getting it good and hard.
The Cryptkeeper
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This is true but it is also true for the rest of us.
Australia is about to elect a right wing, Trump disciple who also hates brown people and the poor. And we think we are reasonable, intelligent people.
How has it come to this?
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USspur
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Germany just voted 20% for the AFD. They better wake up or next time it will be 30% and then they will win a majority, in my opinion.
USspur
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Seven EU Member States – Croatia, the Czech Republic, Finland, Hungary, Italy, the Netherlands and Slovakia – now have far-right parties within government. A political party viewed as potentially ‘extremist’ by German authorities has won a state election in Germany. And far-right parties gave strong showings in the summer’s European Parliament elections, prompting a snap national vote in France, which risked National Rally (RN) gaining power.
Yid
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Mate in 4 years time we will probably be on your heels as Labour are not going hard enough or fast enough to make a meaningful change to voters lives and will consequently be cast out of power for maybe forever...
They know how to do it... Anyone with over 3 million quid in assets gets the fucking bill. And yeah if you live in London and brought your house back in the 20's when it was a hapwny... So fucking what... You're over 100 years old and there maybe half a dozen of you in the entire country, so we'll just wait for your contribution from inheritance tax...
And yeah if you grew up with nothing and built an empire and don't want to share it then fuck you too, you're paying the bill. You know what it's like to have fuck all and should know how damaging it is...
If you're just a rich cunt who has had it handed down to you, then double fuck you... We're coming...
I don't want it handed out to lifetime bludgers, I want it to fix the UK infrastructure for all... That in turn builds back capability in the economy and people live better lives. I want it to make the country rich and not beholden to national debt that is also owned by these Megha rich cunts...
I digress... Farage is poised to sit in the wings and ride the wave of Americas, others and now seemingly Australia's lead... It may be him or some other slimy opportunistic scumbag but the playbook has been written and there's enough othering being done on social media to whip up enough dickheads to send us down a path that's literally unthinkable to me.
Either way the globe is being redrawn at pace and the last time that happened it was under the Nazis... Seems like they never actually fully went away now doesn't it...
And to answer your question, rampant capitalism is how this has come to pass. Unchecked wealth and power is why we're in a climate emergency, why we're seeing conflicts rampant and it's consequences in migratory behaviour.
Because the world is geographically becoming smaller (war/famine/climate) the available assets for capitalists becomes harder and more expensive to capture and horde.
I understand to role capitalism plays in developing a country, but it's been idolised by countries like America as the one and only way and grown grotesque in a fuck everyone else fashion, which is its final death rattles.
What comes next... (Shudder) I'm too old to fight a war now... But my son and his friends are not... And will they even get a chance with these tantrum pulling retards with nuke codes at their fingertips... My son has talked to me about the destabilised nature of the world and voiced his trepidation... It's fucking heartbreaking seeing him have less opportunities than I did, when I've fought my entire life to give him and his sister more than I had...
I told him not to worry about it and just enjoy his life now and prepare for a future that he wants. Try to ignore the noise adults are making to a large degree and decide what world he wants to live in and go and make it... I don't know if that's right but he needs to feel empowered about being incharge of his own destiny, as do all kids/adolescents...
I think while Americans are ultimately to blame for this, they've been manipulated and lied to and unfortunately that has to now play out one way or another now... It's also worth remembering that as Crypty has said it's a world wide shift in sentiment... The right are on the rise.
The Cryptkeeper
The Aussie Yid
Yeah man, we have friends in Germany who we chat with every other week. They are petrified of exactly that outcome.
BrooklynYid
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Crypt, I tried to tag you but apparently I suck at internets. The reality is that it's so much easier to make people made than make them happy. And the far right knows how the sell it like nobody's business. I have very intelligent right wing friends (mostly lawyers) who truly believe that Zelensky is the villain and Putin the freedom fighter. No idea how that is possible, but I can tell you it is definitely real. Also, regardless of what the media says, republican voters that I know do NOT disapprove at all at Trump's actions so far. They describe it as "great" and "heroic," and now love Elon Musk, a man they likely despised 18 months ago. No explanations here, just a reality check on where we're at. And this is in NYC by the way.
The Cryptkeeper
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And if that is in NYC, one of the most liberal cities in the US then that says an awful lot about where we are at.
J.spurs
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Oh I have no doubt this is real. There are a lot of people who drank the Kool-Aid a long time ago. I know a lot of them.
But I also know plenty of conservatives here in NC that are appalled by Musk (mostly because they have skin in the game due to what DOGE is doing to federal $$$) and by Trump's backstabbing of Ukraine.
Of course, all this is anecdotal, which is not a great way to understand how an entire nation of people feel about things. But I think the biggest trap we can fall into is to accept that this hard right shit here and around the world is inevitable, or a done deal.
BrooklynYid
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On a positive note, I think this will fail horribly and we (the US at least) will swing hard left in the next election. Here's hoping that goes better!
J.spurs
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I do agree there will be a backlash, but sadly (for this aging leftist anyway) there is no hard left in this country.
But honestly, at this point, I'd just like to be confident that A) we're not invading Alberta and B) and there's not some Musk-employed hacker leafing through my mom's social security...
Style And Glory
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On another positive note, Canada has stopped the import of Jack Daniels & taken it off the liquor store shelves.
It may cause some local pain for certain individuals here but that should kill the US economy.
It may cause some local pain for certain individuals here but that should kill the US economy.
Yid
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Take my hat off to the Canadians... They're making all the right noises... I wanna see them switch off the lights and see how Trump deals with that...!!!
The Cryptkeeper
The Aussie Yid
How much damage gets done in the next 3 1/2 years though? Will it be irreparable?
The midterms will be critical. The Dems need a tool to be able to apply the breaks to this psychopathic despot you have there.
Style And Glory
On My High Trojan Horse
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Unfortunately Crypty, the Dems are a mess.
spurious
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Who do you mean by the hard left? I don't see anyone out there to take on that mantle. The Republicans (and the Cons uphere where I am) like to demonize the Dems and Liba for being woke, but they're not even centrist. I don't see or hear any leftists out there. Four years of this and then a return to the Dems would be grim indeed.
J.spurs
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That's what I was alluding to--as you know, while the Dems are a pretty big tent, policy-wise, they'd be center right in most countries. But this is not most countries.
Republicans have spent the last five decades moving the Overton window far to the right, and Democrats have mostly accommodated them. Whether this is political expediency or because they actually share a consensus on structural issues is kind of irrelevant. It just is what it is.
Things can change quickly I suppose, but the idea that we'd move from this bullshit to a proper left as you or I would define it in 2-4 years is just inconceivable. A two-party system is pretty much baked into our constitutional order, and while the coalitions that make up those two parties might shift, the fundamentals of American politics aren't going to change in our lifetimes.
Yid
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There are some strong leftist voices, but they're not well funded... And therein lays the heart of the problem... Money above every fucking thing else has corrupted your society.
You're American dream got corrupted by rampant capitalism and it's turned into a fucking dystopian nightmare where the 0.1% are taking more and fucking more of your shit and creating such inequality that people are starving within your borders while others fly rockets to Mars.
It's time for a new voice, a political revolution you might say... But those with the money and power are not going to relinquish it just because...
Scary time to be bringing up kids that's for sure.
You're American dream got corrupted by rampant capitalism and it's turned into a fucking dystopian nightmare where the 0.1% are taking more and fucking more of your shit and creating such inequality that people are starving within your borders while others fly rockets to Mars.
It's time for a new voice, a political revolution you might say... But those with the money and power are not going to relinquish it just because...
Scary time to be bringing up kids that's for sure.
spurious
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If I was a younger man I'd say start organizing at the grass roots: form a tenant's union, get involved in neighbourhood associations, start a label/press/advocacy group. Run for city council. There's more of us than them, and all that. It feels daunting right now, but we can't give up before we start.
If only I had the time and ambition to back up my idle online political screeds. On a football forum, no less. There's one in the eye for our capitalist overlords!
BrooklynYid
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By hard left swing, I mean (hopefully) center left. I don't even know what the far left is anymore. Depends on the day.