Style And Glory
On My High Trojan Horse
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@The Cryptkeeper, is it fair to presume, she's a conservative?
Ted the Yid
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Well at least it's not Vince McMahon.
Yid
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Not yet.
Yid
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I'm not a Yankee so please disregard my opinion if you like... But Trump is another symptom of a broken system, not the solution his disciples think he is.
In his first term he talked about draining the swamp, and redressing the ballance because that's what people thought the problem was (essentially it is and always will be when you promote capitalism above everything else). He had no intention of doing this and simply went about his merry way of being corrupted by power (thats the real dangerous thing in my humble opinion as he knows where he failed to grasp real power last term) and offering tax and regulatory breaks to everyone who enabled him...
COVID gave him a convenient smokescreen for unchecked spending, unchecked rule breaking and a certain cart blanche around snappy ill thought through decisions and their consequences were brushed under the C-19 carpet...
Bidens administration was a cluster fuck from start to finish... He was weak, his VP was even fucking weaker and the lack of modern, joined up thinking of all the old white men, couldn't contrive to beat a convicted rapist in a two horse race. That for me is the biggest shock in all of this and if the Dems don't adjust their sightlines significantly, they're gonna be replaced by something that does (think Tories are the next GE, they're gonna get blown away by Farage and his fascist chums)... And maybe they should as they're completely not representative of the people they're supposed to represent.
We can only guess what Trump will do this term but looking at his cabinet, it's a crick pot of lunatics and sycophants who will ultimately ignore all advice and enact whatever dear leader demands, regardless of the consequences. On the whole they seem grossly unqualified. When you look at the UK government (that isn't perfect) where we have high level cabinet ministers resigning because of false representation charges over a missing phone... How does that compare not just to Trumps criminal history but many of his cabinet picks... It's mine boggling and stuff you'd expect to see in Botswana or Mali...
Back to my point that Trump is a symptom of what is broken and unfortunately you have to work through all these hinges to get your democracy and your country back... His platform of draining the swamp worked because it needed to happen, his platform of MAGA, needs to happen, but not in any way in the vision he will try to deliver...
The people of the US will inevitably have to take back their country from these power mad plutocratic 1%'ers... That's what they've given it over to right now, and praising it from them may take a good few years...
I think it'll get worse and the turkeys will realise they've voted for Christmas... Lots are probably realising that already...
But this won't be the end of Merica, they'll sort their shit out eventually, it may take a decade or so, but they'll be back and maybe a bit more humble about their place ina democratic world where those with power should protect those with less...
Let's just hope they disconnect the red button before his mob takes office as I could see these power mad lunatics doing something disastrous if their backs were against the wall...
In his first term he talked about draining the swamp, and redressing the ballance because that's what people thought the problem was (essentially it is and always will be when you promote capitalism above everything else). He had no intention of doing this and simply went about his merry way of being corrupted by power (thats the real dangerous thing in my humble opinion as he knows where he failed to grasp real power last term) and offering tax and regulatory breaks to everyone who enabled him...
COVID gave him a convenient smokescreen for unchecked spending, unchecked rule breaking and a certain cart blanche around snappy ill thought through decisions and their consequences were brushed under the C-19 carpet...
Bidens administration was a cluster fuck from start to finish... He was weak, his VP was even fucking weaker and the lack of modern, joined up thinking of all the old white men, couldn't contrive to beat a convicted rapist in a two horse race. That for me is the biggest shock in all of this and if the Dems don't adjust their sightlines significantly, they're gonna be replaced by something that does (think Tories are the next GE, they're gonna get blown away by Farage and his fascist chums)... And maybe they should as they're completely not representative of the people they're supposed to represent.
We can only guess what Trump will do this term but looking at his cabinet, it's a crick pot of lunatics and sycophants who will ultimately ignore all advice and enact whatever dear leader demands, regardless of the consequences. On the whole they seem grossly unqualified. When you look at the UK government (that isn't perfect) where we have high level cabinet ministers resigning because of false representation charges over a missing phone... How does that compare not just to Trumps criminal history but many of his cabinet picks... It's mine boggling and stuff you'd expect to see in Botswana or Mali...
Back to my point that Trump is a symptom of what is broken and unfortunately you have to work through all these hinges to get your democracy and your country back... His platform of draining the swamp worked because it needed to happen, his platform of MAGA, needs to happen, but not in any way in the vision he will try to deliver...
The people of the US will inevitably have to take back their country from these power mad plutocratic 1%'ers... That's what they've given it over to right now, and praising it from them may take a good few years...
I think it'll get worse and the turkeys will realise they've voted for Christmas... Lots are probably realising that already...
But this won't be the end of Merica, they'll sort their shit out eventually, it may take a decade or so, but they'll be back and maybe a bit more humble about their place ina democratic world where those with power should protect those with less...
Let's just hope they disconnect the red button before his mob takes office as I could see these power mad lunatics doing something disastrous if their backs were against the wall...
DMackay
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I can’t work out what is going on here let alone Merica but plenty of people I speak with are excited about getting rid of Biden and Kamala and getting Trump in!
Fuck knows!
Fuck knows!
Yid
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Yeah people can be dicks...
J.spurs
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He's not been great, but I'd say Biden actually was a pretty competent President domestically. Lots of very popular policies (so much so that Trump just claimed credit for most of them while he was running.) But hang popular policies and being a popular president are two different things.
Where he was weak was in foreign policy, especially in implementing the withdrawal from Afghanistan and allowing Netanyahu (another prick in office despite facing multiple criminal charges) to pull his pants down over and over as he just keeps sending money their way. On Ukraine, he's been hamstrung by the GOP.
J.spurs
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It's his wife, Linda McMahon.
Ted the Yid
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I know, Vince and Donald are also close mates, I believe Vince McMahon may be having a few "PR issues" at the moment but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he also got involved in Trumps cabinet.
Yid
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Yeah, I acknowledge that domestically he actually undid some of the cluster fuck that Cheeto Bollox left as his legacy... But what I meant was, that it shouldn't have been him in the hot seat IMO.
I'm not denying his prowess as a politician he is fucking brilliant and has proved this over many decades, but his age, frailty, condition etc should have precluded him and he potentially should have been the VP (or at very least in the background giving advice) to a bright new shining star of American politics...
It's the lack of that that I think was the start of the cluster fuck. I like Kamala... I just don't think she has the spunk to fight a man like Trump... She fights fair and at this stage, fair won't work...! You could bleat on about integrity all you like, it didn't work and that's an effect of the environment all politicians and US culture is/are responsible for.
It's gonna be a rough few years but ultimately America will come out of this stronger.
Trump is a lesson in what greed, entitlement and unchecked powered produces... Tyranny.
He, I believe will change America very much for the good in the long run because the unfettered capitalism of more and fucking more for the few at the expense of those that already have fuck all, is unsustainable.
Yid
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I don't think it'll be blood free... And ultimately his blood will water your Liberty Tree.
USspur
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Maybe we will have proper candidates in four years. Maybe we will put a cap on donations to an election. Maybe we will be more than a two party system.
Maybe not.
Maybe not.
Ted the Yid
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When does the cabinet (do you guys in the US call it that) get decided?
Style And Glory
On My High Trojan Horse
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As soon as the WWE has a break.
SpiderSpurs
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Trump's election is doing wonders for my crypto.
Yid
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Fuck me... Lunatics everywhere...!!!
Dave
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Mate of mine was cooking pancakes earlier and sent me this...I'm sure the president would be very impressed in fairness. 
J.spurs
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A bit of orange food coloring, slather it in lard, and and it'd be a dead ringer...
Style And Glory
On My High Trojan Horse
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The other day, I watched a 2020 documentary called "Unfit: The Psychology of Donald Trump
Here is a link to a trailer:
It examines Trump's psychological fitness - forget about the Presidency & being in charge of one of the most powerful nations in the world, but at the most elementary level: as a human being. It features mental health professionals, historians, & political analysts exploring traits such as narcissism, sociopathy, & paranoia. It presents evidence that he exhibits traits characteristic of an Authoritarian Leader & the potential dangers his leadership style poses to democracy.
We know most of it but when it is presented in such a concise manner with experts in numerous fields wading in, it becomes frightening & bewildering at the same time how someone like him can be voted in, not once, but twice.
Here is a link to a trailer:
It examines Trump's psychological fitness - forget about the Presidency & being in charge of one of the most powerful nations in the world, but at the most elementary level: as a human being. It features mental health professionals, historians, & political analysts exploring traits such as narcissism, sociopathy, & paranoia. It presents evidence that he exhibits traits characteristic of an Authoritarian Leader & the potential dangers his leadership style poses to democracy.
We know most of it but when it is presented in such a concise manner with experts in numerous fields wading in, it becomes frightening & bewildering at the same time how someone like him can be voted in, not once, but twice.
J.spurs
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Unfortunately, those dangers are not potential anymore.
The Cryptkeeper
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Thanks for the tip mate. I watched it tonight.
Very scary, but of course it won’t be seen by those who need to see it.
Yid
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I mean, I expected some batshit nonsense... And boy oh fucking boy has this cunt delivered...
My biggest issue with it is, that the west and seemingly the east know and have known exactly what the plans and motivations are, and they've consistently failed to call him on his bullshit... Or even believe that he wouldn't dare and that the checks and balances the US has in place will be enough to stop him tearing up the constitution...
Maybe now that he has effectively torn up NATO there won't be as much cowtowing to him by European democracies. He has played his hand and Europe are working on playing theirs...
I think the fact the UKPM announced an increase in defence spending and the pathway to 3%+ of GDP prior to the shit show in in the Oval office, tells me that he knew in advance and wanted to do that on his terms and not as a reaction to the staged mugging of Ukraine's mineral reserves in return for it's existence. Either way, it's something Europe needed to do and the UK will undoubtedly move closer to Europe as this new alliance unfolds.
I usually don't think too deeply on geopolitics (that's a blatant lie) but my reason for seeking out this particular thread was to ask our American brethren if his dire approval polls reflect the real mood of the nation... I consume more left of the line news, so often hear what I want to hear. I also have predominantly left leaning American friends so again it's a bit of an echo chamber...
But are you guys feeling the benefit of Trump on your bills?
What do you think of him dismantling the government machine that keeps American power in check?
What do you actually think of the staged strongman show against Zelensky, where trumps business acumen was on full show?
Are you bothered in the slightest that Zelensky chooses to not wear a suit?
Do you understand tariffs?
I know it's early doors but do you think he actually wants America to be great again?
What faux war do you think he will wage towards the end of his term in order to invoke a postponement of national elections (my bet is military action in Mexico)?
Kind of linked to the above, do you still believe in the constitution?
Do you still believe that this administration has no intent to align America with the Autocatic democracies of the world and drag you towards a dictatorship?
I have to ask about Elon, I mean, do you think it's OK that this unelected Tech bro is destroying institutions and government tools indiscriminately on what appears to be a war on DEI?
Oh and was it or was it not a Nazi salute (I know the answer BTW, just poking the bear here a little)?
There is one thing for sure he will be remembered after his time, as one of the most important figures in world politics.
Now as a man after a used EV, this does help drive down the residuals of the Nazi waggons but I would have to deal with the stigma of driving one...!!!
My biggest issue with it is, that the west and seemingly the east know and have known exactly what the plans and motivations are, and they've consistently failed to call him on his bullshit... Or even believe that he wouldn't dare and that the checks and balances the US has in place will be enough to stop him tearing up the constitution...
Maybe now that he has effectively torn up NATO there won't be as much cowtowing to him by European democracies. He has played his hand and Europe are working on playing theirs...
I think the fact the UKPM announced an increase in defence spending and the pathway to 3%+ of GDP prior to the shit show in in the Oval office, tells me that he knew in advance and wanted to do that on his terms and not as a reaction to the staged mugging of Ukraine's mineral reserves in return for it's existence. Either way, it's something Europe needed to do and the UK will undoubtedly move closer to Europe as this new alliance unfolds.
I usually don't think too deeply on geopolitics (that's a blatant lie) but my reason for seeking out this particular thread was to ask our American brethren if his dire approval polls reflect the real mood of the nation... I consume more left of the line news, so often hear what I want to hear. I also have predominantly left leaning American friends so again it's a bit of an echo chamber...
But are you guys feeling the benefit of Trump on your bills?
What do you think of him dismantling the government machine that keeps American power in check?
What do you actually think of the staged strongman show against Zelensky, where trumps business acumen was on full show?
Are you bothered in the slightest that Zelensky chooses to not wear a suit?
Do you understand tariffs?
I know it's early doors but do you think he actually wants America to be great again?
What faux war do you think he will wage towards the end of his term in order to invoke a postponement of national elections (my bet is military action in Mexico)?
Kind of linked to the above, do you still believe in the constitution?
Do you still believe that this administration has no intent to align America with the Autocatic democracies of the world and drag you towards a dictatorship?
I have to ask about Elon, I mean, do you think it's OK that this unelected Tech bro is destroying institutions and government tools indiscriminately on what appears to be a war on DEI?
Oh and was it or was it not a Nazi salute (I know the answer BTW, just poking the bear here a little)?
There is one thing for sure he will be remembered after his time, as one of the most important figures in world politics.
Now as a man after a used EV, this does help drive down the residuals of the Nazi waggons but I would have to deal with the stigma of driving one...!!!
J.spurs
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Well you probably know what I think already, but here goes:
-Benefits? No. The people feeling the heat right now are people whose jobs are connected to federal funding. I know a couple people who've been laid off and others who soon will be. Only because of Elon.
-Zelenskyy is a serious man. Trump and JD Vance are not. As for his attire, when Winston Churchill came to the White House in 1940 wearing an air raid suit, it just made sense. I don't care if he was wearing a clown suit with a strap-on on his forehead.
-I do understand tariffs. The President of the United States does not.
-Trump doesn't give a solitary fuck about the United States. It's all about him. Always.
-Trump won't wage a war unless we blunder into one. He will bluster and posture and back down, then claim victory. See what he did with the tariff scrap with Canada last month.
-I believe in the Constitution, not so sure I believe some of our leaders have any interest in observing it--I'm referring here to our judiciary. But there has to be popular pressure to act. Lots of talk about Americans being highly polarized, but the attitude that "LOL, Nothing matters, they're all the same corrupt" has gotten us in this predicament along with the media, which treats politics like a horserace rather than what it is. I actually believe Trump has gone way further than most people are comfortable with--the Musk thing is especially upsetting to a lot of people that would otherwise support him.
-Trump has every intent to align the US with Russia in particular. He couldn't make this more clear.
-DEI is a pretext for the looting of the federal government. My fear about Elon is what happens when he and Trump fall out? What does he do then now that his lackeys literally have access to our bank accounts?
-Yes, it was obviously a Nazi salute. They are Nazis.
USspur
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But are you guys feeling the benefit of Trump on your bills?
- Are there wasted wages in the government? Most likely. Was the best way to clear it out to go Ari gold and fire entire departments and divisions? I don't think so. I hope a lot of rehiring is done to allow for research, science and the federal land / parks to get back to normal. Maybe even give them more money than they originally had to improve upon what it once was.
What do you think of him dismantling the government machine that keeps American power in check?
- Concerned. Even more concerned because all the trump-ists see it as not a big deal.
What do you actually think of the staged strongman show against Zelensky, where trumps business acumen was on full show?
- Not the time or the place to do as such in the oval. That should have been behind closed doors. But (as I think most do) I think Trump made that display intentionally for the world to see.
Are you bothered in the slightest that Zelensky chooses to not wear a suit?
- No
Do you understand tariffs?
- We (the consumer) will likely pay for them.
I know it's early doors but do you think he actually wants America to be great again?
- Yes, but how he is going about it is (in my opinion) the wrong way.
What faux war do you think he will wage towards the end of his term in order to invoke a postponement of national elections (my bet is military action in Mexico)?
- Panama canal seizure which then leads to war.
Kind of linked to the above, do you still believe in the constitution?
- Naturally. Is there a small, small chance it all falls apart in the next four years? Also yes
Do you still believe that this administration has no intent to align America with the Autocatic democracies of the world
Do you still believe that this administration wants to drag you towards a dictatorship?
-No, but to keep it republican forever, yes.
I have to ask about Elon, I mean, do you think it's OK that this unelected Tech bro is destroying institutions and government tools indiscriminately on what appears to be a war on DEI?
- No
Oh and was it or was it not a Nazi salute (I know the answer BTW, just poking the bear here a little)?
-Obviously, yes.
Now as a man after a used EV, this does help drive down the residuals of the Nazi waggons but I would have to deal with the stigma of driving one...!!!
- Are there wasted wages in the government? Most likely. Was the best way to clear it out to go Ari gold and fire entire departments and divisions? I don't think so. I hope a lot of rehiring is done to allow for research, science and the federal land / parks to get back to normal. Maybe even give them more money than they originally had to improve upon what it once was.
What do you think of him dismantling the government machine that keeps American power in check?
- Concerned. Even more concerned because all the trump-ists see it as not a big deal.
What do you actually think of the staged strongman show against Zelensky, where trumps business acumen was on full show?
- Not the time or the place to do as such in the oval. That should have been behind closed doors. But (as I think most do) I think Trump made that display intentionally for the world to see.
Are you bothered in the slightest that Zelensky chooses to not wear a suit?
- No
Do you understand tariffs?
- We (the consumer) will likely pay for them.
I know it's early doors but do you think he actually wants America to be great again?
- Yes, but how he is going about it is (in my opinion) the wrong way.
What faux war do you think he will wage towards the end of his term in order to invoke a postponement of national elections (my bet is military action in Mexico)?
- Panama canal seizure which then leads to war.
Kind of linked to the above, do you still believe in the constitution?
- Naturally. Is there a small, small chance it all falls apart in the next four years? Also yes
Do you still believe that this administration has no intent to align America with the Autocatic democracies of the world
Do you still believe that this administration wants to drag you towards a dictatorship?
-No, but to keep it republican forever, yes.
I have to ask about Elon, I mean, do you think it's OK that this unelected Tech bro is destroying institutions and government tools indiscriminately on what appears to be a war on DEI?
- No
Oh and was it or was it not a Nazi salute (I know the answer BTW, just poking the bear here a little)?
-Obviously, yes.
Now as a man after a used EV, this does help drive down the residuals of the Nazi waggons but I would have to deal with the stigma of driving one...!!!
Style And Glory
On My High Trojan Horse
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It's such a shit show.
Trump, surrounded by his like-minded 'yes' men, is getting closer & closer to his endgame.
He's such a vile & disgusting individual with an IQ & vocabulary of a chimpanzee.
Putin may not be occupying Kyiv but he's certainly occupying Washington, DC.
As for a positive, he's alienated many Canadians who are now more unified as a county & boycotting anything American.
Trump, surrounded by his like-minded 'yes' men, is getting closer & closer to his endgame.
He's such a vile & disgusting individual with an IQ & vocabulary of a chimpanzee.
Putin may not be occupying Kyiv but he's certainly occupying Washington, DC.
As for a positive, he's alienated many Canadians who are now more unified as a county & boycotting anything American.
USspur
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Not for nothing and I only know what I hear from my Canadian friends (10 good friends from dental school). I polled them recently and all of them dislike Trudeau more than Trump and what’s going on over here.
The Cryptkeeper
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I’m not so sure about that mate. We are holidaying in Canada at the moment and the hatred for Trump is palpable. And very vocal.
Trudeau barely rates a mention by comparison at present, but that could be because he is vacating office.
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Style And Glory
On My High Trojan Horse
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JT is a whole other story but I still find that surprising.
He's on his way out but in no way does he even come near Trump in the dislike category.
Trump is on a whole other level ALL BY HIMSELF. He's a despicable human being.
American's are wonderful people, but how some stand behind such an lying, immoral, narcissistic, paranoid, sadist is beyond me.
As for Trump's & Vance's treatment of Zelenskyy, it was deplorable. Let's forget about the berating that the 2 clowns gave him in the Westwing the other day & focus on the main issue.
Dictator Putin invaded Ukraine. He's attacking & killing not only soldiers but civilians. The ethical / moral thing for anyone to do is to come to the aide of the victim & stop the aggressor. You help because it is the right thing to do. Others have done so without strings attached yet Trump want's something: he requires access to Ukraine's minerals. Otherwise he won't help. As I write this he's paused the help. I don't know why this hasn't gotten more traction.
Imagine @Yid attacking @Havocc & "Shithead A" says "Hey Havocc, I know you're taking a real beating & hurting badly, but I'll help you if you give me your house & your cars". That's fucking extortion. Trump is full of greed & opportunism b/c he thinks he's the one & only real deal maker. There are times when you don't look to make a deal. Fuck, if people only help others when there's personal / governmental gain, society risks losing fundamental moral values like solidarity & justice. Trump & his pee-ons treat others like a means to an end rather than valuing their intrinsic dignity & rights.
For all his faults, Trudeau didn't do that. He committed to the Ukraine. That's one massive difference & I'm not a fan of many of JT's policies. But I back him on this one.
Apologies to our American friends for coming down hard on this one.