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World Cup 2018 - Russia

Style And Glory

Style And Glory

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A little more background to the story:

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...nciples-dinamo-zagreb-zdravko-mamic-world-cup

Andrej Kramaric has gone against the grain and, against sizeable odds, come out on top. The Hoffenheim forward has risked his career in sticking to his principles and now stands to shine for a Croatia side whose attack has often struggled for fluency.

A recent court anecdote casts light on the forces Kramaric has had to battle. It also explains why Croatia have lost so much support at home, with players scorned rather than celebrated going into the World Cup.

It centres on Zdravko Mamic, the most powerful man in domestic football. Mamic is on trial for, among other things, massive-scale embezzlement of Dinamo Zagreb’s funds. While at the club, he took big chunks of transfer money paid to Dinamo.

He would first sign personal contracts with young players that entitled him to a large share of their earnings; then, acting as a club executive, put clauses in their contracts specifying the split of transfer fee between the club and the player. Once a player received a portion of any money a foreign club paid Dinamo for his services — as high as 50% — he would forward most of it to Mamic.

That is not being disputed by Mamic’s lawyers. But the prosecution is trying to prove some of those clauses, including in the cases of Luka Modric and Dejan Lovren, were added and backdated only after the players had been sold. Modric and Lovren asserted that during the investigation but changed their testimonies in court as witnesses for the prosecution, saying the investigators had confused them.

Modric has been charged with perjury and Lovren is being investigated for it. This has turned large sections of the public against the players.

Among the papers Mamic submitted to court as “evidence of his innocence”, something was discovered: a document investigators claim was a list of instructions for Lovren on how to answer specific questions asked by the prosecution. Apparently he had followed those almost to the letter.

Kramaric says he refused to follow in the more experienced players’ footsteps and sign such a contract. It nearly destroyed his career but he does not discuss it. “There is no need; everyone knows what was happening and the stories you hear are true,” he said last year. “I came out of it with a smile on my face and made a success for myself. But of course it left a bitter taste. Dinamo was my dream ever since I was a kid.”

The Zagreb-born youngster joined the club at six and scored 452 goals, by his count, for their youth teams. He was the best attacking talent their academy produced in decades and Mamic repeatedly approached Kramaric’s family, promising money and various perks if he came under his wing. The family declined and things were made difficult for Kramaric.

Although he made a promising start for the first team, he would be benched at the first sign of a drop in form. He would be sent on loans to Lokomotiva, Dinamo’s farm club, and even after he did very well there Dinamo coaches tended to favour other players. Meanwhile the club declined inquiries from foreign clubs – hoping to break him into signing a contract with Mamic.

Andrej Kramaric joined Leicester for £9m in January 2015 but featured in only 15 league games before joining Hoffenheim, first on loan and then permanently.
But Kramaric did not buckle. In 2013 he went public with complaints about a lack of playing time, his father insinuating it related to their refusal to go with Mamic. He was transfer-listed and Rijeka signed him.
 
Don Diaz

Don Diaz

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Tony Adams on England's World Cup chances: "I'm really worried about these Tottenham players. I don't think they know how to win. They're very good players, but at certain points in seasons and tournaments, you have to step up. There's a psyche players must have."

What a cunt.
 
skiathospurs

skiathospurs

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skiathospurs

skiathospurs

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Tony Adams on England's World Cup chances: "I'm really worried about these Tottenham players. I don't think they know how to win. They're very good players, but at certain points in seasons and tournaments, you have to step up. There's a psyche players must have."

What a cunt.
Suprised he didnt say "step up to the bar" cos we looked so much better with a load of pissed up,drug taking goons in the squad didnt we?
 
Liam

Liam

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Right lads this is it, it's coming home!!! To Brasil/Gemany/Spain/France that is, not England though....
 
J.spurs

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Oh shit. Nice to see another country getting a load of shit to deal with before a world cup...Seems silly to have sacked him to me though.
Apparently most of the players backed him, so it will be very interesting indeed to see how this plays out.
 
BrooklynYid

BrooklynYid

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Not a good idea. I think their odds of winning the cup just went up in smoke. The fault really lies with Real for going public with the hiring. If Spain really wanted to make a stand they should send home all the Real players. Hmmm, wonder why they didn't do that?
 
Motspur Hotspur

Motspur Hotspur

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Come ON YOU SAUDI'S!! I would love it if they turned over these, can you imagine the carnage!
 
Motspur Hotspur

Motspur Hotspur

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Fucking VAR joke. Clear push on the Saudi defender.

Edit: Alright maybe the wally fell over, this match has the iffy waft of a fix about it already, I expect Russia to go all the way now.

Edit2: what a load of old crap!
 
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Liam

Liam

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Saudi Arabia are terrible so can't really work out how good Russia are going to be. They have home advantage though. Some good finishes from Russia but now we can roll on the real games!
 
BrooklynYid

BrooklynYid

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Re the 48 team WC, the only way to make it bearable is if all the extra 16 teams came from Europe and SA. Instead we'll have Fiji and El Salvador losing by double digits.
 
Liam

Liam

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Re the 48 team WC, the only way to make it bearable is if all the extra 16 teams came from Europe and SA. Instead we'll have Fiji and El Salvador losing by double digits.
I think all from Europe and South America would be unfair but maybe 6 from each then 4 from rest of th world and would be terrible but I still don't think it should be done. Takes away the achievement of qualifying for it if it's almost impossible not to qualify.
 
skiathospurs

skiathospurs

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Imagine how bad a 48-team World Cup would be.
They will turn the most competative tournament into a europa league style balls up.There really is too much tv sport if its got no edge.Jesus i ve been looking at mr bitey vs mo salad`s lot,half empty stadium,and awful game,meaningless even if entertainment does break out.
 
Motspur Hotspur

Motspur Hotspur

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Well you'd think the world had ended the way the Mo Salah Broadcasting Corporation are going on, it's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO disappointing for him OH MO, after the SEASON HE'S HAD!

I don't know how we'll ever get over it I really don't know how I'm going to go on after this.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO disappointed.
 
skiathospurs

skiathospurs

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Well you'd think the world had ended the way the Mo Salah Broadcasting Corporation are going on, it's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO disappointing for him OH MO, after the SEASON HE'S HAD!

I don't know how we'll ever get over it I really don't know how I'm going to go on after this.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO disappointed.

 
J.spurs

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I was probably less enthusiastic about this tournament than any I remember in my life, but there have been some very good games so far. Lots of genuine clashes of styles, reminiscent of the old days.
 
Liam

Liam

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Enjoyed seeing Germany and Brasil struggle yesterday! Let's just hope we can get off to a good start tonight!
 
The Cryptkeeper

The Cryptkeeper

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France, Brazil, Germany and Argentina have all been putrid. Spain and Portugal played a cracking match but I am not sure about either of those teams either. Both of them have significant flaws.

I think England can go well here. It's a decent squad with Spurs players everywhere so there should be good team harmony at the very least.

Belgium is a frighteningly good squad. Assuming Dembele is fully fit and in their starting 11 they have the team to win the whole thing. There is nothing that has presented so far that would bother the Belgians in the slightest.

Of course, they could get turned over by Panama and make me look like a proper mug.
 
Don Diaz

Don Diaz

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I remeber teams like Italy making a slow start in years gone by and going on to win. Bit early to make any concrete judgements, Messi missed a pen ffs.
 
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