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Manchester City (A) 17:30 Sat 16th December 2017

deejbah

deejbah

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When I saw City in the friendly this summer in person I told my kids that they would win the league by 15 points. What's deceptive about De Bruyne is his athleticism and strength. I don't like anything about what Citeh represent, and tbh I find Pep to be an insufferable self-righteous prick. But there's no denying how brilliant their football has been for most of this season.

I watched some pretty in-depth highlights and tactical analysis of the game this morning, and like you say the long balls that Ederson played out were extraordinary, and hit at such pace that they (unavoidably) caught us out badly. I don't know if he was the difference in this game, but he's definitely a major difference between their team this year and last.

Yeah, they're an annoyingly brilliant team with a horrifying plan to dominate world football with all their farm teams across the world.

There's certainly an air of that about him and his comments about tactical fouling were hilarious to me but as a coach I certainly am interested in how he structures his teams and also how he coaches individual players (and I think that's a big thing with Poch too) whereas some of the other coaches like Mourinho and Wenger don't seem to do that on the same level. I found it incredible that no one had apparently got Sterling to work on his body shape/orientation/scanning to play a touch ahead on receiving the ball before (or at least not in a way that got through to him). How does that even happen?
 
skiathospurs

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Amazing how much difference Ederson makes to their game. Gives them so much more ability to play Guardiola's preferred style. Swap the goalkeepers around for the two teams and it becomes a totally different game.

We got absolutely killed on transitions and they have so much quality in this kind of play that you can't afford to give them those opportunities. I think the one positive from the game is that we did have a substantial period of the game where we got back into it.

I've watched a lot of De Bruyne and Sane in the Bundesliga - to me it's not surprising how good they've become. For me De Bruyne is right up there in the top five players in the world at the moment. Incredible all round player.
going back to the winks debate,besides that after 20 starts who would have thought bale,modric would be world class,de bruyne and Salah did anyone really think at the time chelsea were so nuts to pack them off to serie a and bundesliga?Coaching and experience can change all players hugely.
 
wilson

wilson

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Winks is a tricky one and I can see points from both sides. I think he is a good player but is he first 11 quality right now? No, probably not. But he doesn't need to be as he is currently backup CM if all are fit. He's probably 4th choice for CM behind Dembele, Dier and Wanyama imo.

I think it's a little unfair to judge him based on the City game as every single player in a Spurs shirt underperformed - not just him. Whilst he hasn't set the world alight he has had some very good games and been fairly steady in CM at a time where key injuries in that position could have crippled us.

If we look at the CMs that have left to go on to do little I think he is better than them and is a more well rounded player with a higher potential ceiling. In my opinion he is superior to the likes of Carroll, Livermore, Huddlestone, Mason, Bentaleb, Holtby, etc... I feel a lot more comfortable seeing his name in the first XI than I did with any of those!

Long story short, do I think he will become a world class player such as Modric or become the first name on the Spurs teamsheet every week? No, I definitely don't. BUT he could still become a very good player and integral part of our squad for years to come. We're highly unlikely to be in a position any time soon whereby we are too good to have someone like him in our squad imo.
 
Wotspur

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Ok we got outplayed but let's make a few pointers
Ok HK and DA were both lucky Not to be sent off but let's get things right Otemendi head high kick into Hks face ,if Sanchezs flat hand into the Watford players is a 3 game ban , how come otemendi only got a yellow card and was allowed to stay on the pitch to defend our freekick whilst the victim has to be off the pitch
And come on ref Winksy was thru on gol got taken out but didn't go down cause he wanted to get the ball but when there was no advantage bring it back and award the pen , and what was Lloris doing on the second goal it hit your arm and still went in , pathetic goalkeeping, but he wasn't as bad as last years two blunders , he actually kept us in the game and was probably on of our better players
Whether this two instances would have changed the result we'll never know , but when City have spent more on the defence last summer than Syria has , what chance so we have.
I think we haven't once played our strongest team yet this season , but as ever when we have 1 player out injured he ALWAYS moves two players to fit players in......if Foryth ain't good enough nor CCV let's go get van Dik , Dier is a liability in CB area
 
Glenjamin

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Ultimately absolutely gash result and all our weaknesses exposed themselves.

The team was forcefully setup wrong unfortunately. Any of wanyama, Toby or Sanchez would have changed the team for the better playing a team like that. Needed the holding mid to defender scenario to allow winks and Dembele freedom.

No way should anyone be singling out winks by the way. Nor him or Dembele are defensive midfielders so both were left exposed, especially by a team that can attack and close down with the speed of city.

The thing that bothers me though is we looked flat, same as against arsenal. That drive and flair that was shown against Madrid was non existent. My worry is we are having a bit of that Harry redknapp situation. The league is probably out of reach so everyone has their eye on champions league except they forget we need top 4 aswell. Either that or everyone is fucked, which is even worse as this is the busy period and our rotation is thin at the back.

Anyway. Time to grow a set and move on to this Burnley game. Hopefully that almighty thrashing will spur us on (pardon the pun)

Rose though... I'm fed up looking at him with his arms in the air. He can Fuck off.
 
Dorset

Dorset

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Ultimately absolutely gash result and all our weaknesses exposed themselves.

The team was forcefully setup wrong unfortunately. Any of wanyama, Toby or Sanchez would have changed the team for the better playing a team like that. Needed the holding mid to defender scenario to allow winks and Dembele freedom.

No way should anyone be singling out winks by the way. Nor him or Dembele are defensive midfielders so both were left exposed, especially by a team that can attack and close down with the speed of city.

The thing that bothers me though is we looked flat, same as against arsenal. That drive and flair that was shown against Madrid was non existent. My worry is we are having a bit of that Harry redknapp situation. The league is probably out of reach so everyone has their eye on champions league except they forget we need top 4 aswell. Either that or everyone is fucked, which is even worse as this is the busy period and our rotation is thin at the back.

Anyway. Time to grow a set and move on to this Burnley game. Hopefully that almighty thrashing will spur us on (pardon the pun)

Rose though... I'm fed up looking at him with his arms in the air. He can Fuck off.
Losing Toby is huge, adding Sanchez and Victor who would have made a big difference - mountain to climb. Of course having a pop at Winks is bollocks, how the fuck could he have made a difference. I agree about Rose he get right on my tits - as did the passing about bollocks in our area, there are times when it needs hoofing up the park and as we had Harry and Sonny up there, which I thought could have paid off, then a nice long clearance like wot Edderson did would have been super-duper.
 
Glenjamin

Glenjamin

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Losing Toby is huge, adding Sanchez and Victor who would have made a big difference - mountain to climb. Of course having a pop at Winks is bollocks, how the fuck could he have made a difference. I agree about Rose he get right on my tits - as did the passing about bollocks in our area, there are times when it needs hoofing up the park and as we had Harry and Sonny up there, which I thought could have paid off, then a nice long clearance like wot Edderson did would have been super-duper.

Edersons distribution is Frigging brilliant. I love Hugo. One of the absolute best off his line and class shot stopper but by Fuck he can't kick a football for love nor money.
 
Don Diaz

Don Diaz

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Edersons distribution is Frigging brilliant. I love Hugo. One of the absolute best off his line and class shot stopper but by Fuck he can't kick a football for love nor money.
Agrred, that kick in the second half about 90 yards straight to the blokes feet was extraordinary.
 
birdonaball

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Losing happens, that's a part of football, having been a Spurs fan growing up, got rather used to that feeling. We faced probably one of the most frighteningly good Man City teams the league has seen in a long while so I had my fingers crossed for a draw. It wasn't to be.

What I am pissed off with was the attitude of the team. We lacked fight, heart, guts and just played a bit meh.

At the time I did think we had the best side out there, and then I looked at the bench and thought, huh ? I'm probably alone in this thought but surely when facing a team that is going to run a hole through the midfield, then actually play your only operating DM player in the correct position. Dier had no business being at CB, not when there were two capable individuals sitting on the bench (Juan and Ben) we could have played a 3 at the back with both Ben and Juan in and Jan steering that ship,but that ship has now sailed. I just didn't see the logic in the decision of leaving our midfield wide open for Man City to gallop through. But I'm being moany, so just venting it out the system. I don't think Juan is that bad, he handled himself very well against Apoel and in the cups also, and unless I'm wrong I'm sure Ben could have done a job in there as well. Just didn't make sense at least to me it didn't.

As for the flack that both Winks and Dembele are getting. Dembele is still recovering his fitness and pace and I find it very sad that people are writing him off as player by saying he's past it. He needs time to regain his old form as does Lamela and when returning back so will Toby and Victor. As for Winks, he's still learning and of course he's going to stuff up (as will big Dav and Dele) every now and again, but I felt both him and Dembele were both horribly exposed in midfield. Neither of them are DM and both were asked to operate as one. Next time, we just play at DM exactly where they should be.

Kane and Dele were lucky to stay on the pitch, but the kick to Kane's face should have also been a red. Nothing like that surprises me anymore, I can Man City will probably escape the whole season without another sending off.

Faffing about at the back did my nut in. Hugo is an amazing goalie, but can't kick for beans. Still love him though.

Tripper, bless him, but he's also being doing my nut in. Just need to get Serge up to speed.

Something is a miss with the team though, don't know what it is.

Maybe the belief in the project is dwindling, maybe the belief in themselves is going, maybe some are thinking about the world cup and moves away after that, maybe some are thinking about moves in January, maybe a bunch of players are injured and the other bunch are out of form.

It's a lot of maybes I know, but all we got is speculation. I just wish we would rediscover the attitude that made us the under dogs nobody wanted to come up against, because this season in particular we are the almighty under dogs.
 
Style And Glory

Style And Glory

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Rev John Ripsher

Rev John Ripsher

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You know, every season we always seem to put together a truly crap performance, when nobody, and I mean nobody turns up. It happens every single season. When it is against this seasons wonderkidz well, you are gonna get well and truly reamed. Why we don't line up like we did against Dortmund and Real Madrid I will never understand.

Man City is owned by a sovereign wealth fund, they are a good team on a roll, we should have parked the bus, yeah we would have got castigated and we would have said, we can do this lot. But we didn't. Easy in hindsight.
 
J.spurs

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You know, every season we always seem to put together a truly crap performance, when nobody, and I mean nobody turns up. It happens every single season. When it is against this seasons wonderkidz well, you are gonna get well and truly reamed. Why we don't line up like we did against Dortmund and Real Madrid I will never understand.

Man City is owned by a sovereign wealth fund, they are a good team on a roll, we should have parked the bus, yeah we would have got castigated and we would have said, we can do this lot. But we didn't. Easy in hindsight.
We didn't line up like we did against Dortmund and Madrid partly because we're without Alderweireld or Sanchez, making three at the back (or even putting Dier in midfield) more or less impossible. I suppose Poch could've put Sissoko in there for more muscle, but he would've been way off the pace.
 
Wotspur

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The Premier League's "Fit and Proper person test" only covers financial irregularities, not murder, torture and other unpleasantness. The most important test is that you have a bucket load of cash.
Dorset, don’t suppose us b interested in a Swansea away , ticket 40 rail from Salisbury 30 and 25 Hotel , I know a bloke from Salisburywho bought but can no longer go
 
deejbah

deejbah

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The Premier League's "Fit and Proper person test" only covers financial irregularities, not murder, torture and other unpleasantness. The most important test is that you have a bucket load of cash.

And sometimes not even that but just the appearance of having a bucket load of cash or having good enough accountants to confuse auditors who couldn't really give a rats.
 
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