BrooklynYid
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Klopp or Glasner would be great, but this side is still mid-table. That part isn't Frank's fault.
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I believe that there is more to this side than mid-table. Possibly 5 - 7. If that is considered mid-table, then I agree with you.
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I'm not familiar with where this comes from. You guys may see more of the local press about Klopp than us over on the other side of the world. Just believe that he has the character & status in the upper echelon that will give us even more clout within the footballing pyramid.imagine the smell....
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Klopp will never manage at club level again, certainly not in England.
He is 58 years old and worth £42 million. He never needs to work again
He is 58 years old and worth £42 million. He never needs to work again
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He's been in TV ads here in the States. Other than Beckham, Pulisic and obviously Messi, you don't see that here. So yeah, he's definitely cashed in.
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"You didn't check Trivago!"
I got the impression a few months ago that he was bored with the Red Bull office job & wanted to be more involved in the day-to-day preparation of games. He missed it.
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With the fortune Klopp has accumulated you’d have thought he’d have paid proper money for those veneers. His chompers look like they were done by the work experience kid.
Those Trivago ads crack me up.
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With the fortune Klopp has accumulated you’d have thought he’d have paid proper money for those veneers. His chompers look like they were done by the work experience kid.
Those Trivago ads crack me up.
I keep DM'ing him on linkedin to see if he wants me to redo them
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I certainly agree with this. We need to give SOMEONE time to fix us. We've gotta stop firing and hiring and firing again.
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If they're his words, he seems somewhat resigned to the fact... If I was a chairman prepping a January transfer window and I heard my clubs manager talking like this, I wouldn't be looking to spend much cash at all... In fact, I'd be tapping up my next gaffer right fucking now, getting something solid from them about their intent and the players they want in the squad and going all out to prove that I'm going to back them with players and transfer cash...
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maybe have a quick plan
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Glasner's the man. Contract up at the end of this season too. Should be talking to him now and see where he's at tbh....
Anyway, look, it doesn't matter what manager comes in. We have an average squad of players living comfortable lives, in London, with the best of everything. Training facilities, Stadium, you name it. Remember, we get the players that the real ambitious trophy seeking clubs don't want. That's a fact. And WHY is that ? Maybe because they just don't have what it takes. Maybe THAT'S why they settle for less wages but having the best of everything else is nice.
It's nice and comfy. Contract signed...happy days.
I reckon any manager should get 3 windows. If they don't improve the club then they can have no complaints. However, whats alarming to me is the basic effort and drive is not there. They don't look together...and thats on the manager. I remember even Tim Sherwood getting a song out of the players after AVB was sacked. And if he can achieve it, Frank definitely should. It's basic effort and basic organisation....That's all.
Anyway, look, it doesn't matter what manager comes in. We have an average squad of players living comfortable lives, in London, with the best of everything. Training facilities, Stadium, you name it. Remember, we get the players that the real ambitious trophy seeking clubs don't want. That's a fact. And WHY is that ? Maybe because they just don't have what it takes. Maybe THAT'S why they settle for less wages but having the best of everything else is nice.
It's nice and comfy. Contract signed...happy days.
I reckon any manager should get 3 windows. If they don't improve the club then they can have no complaints. However, whats alarming to me is the basic effort and drive is not there. They don't look together...and thats on the manager. I remember even Tim Sherwood getting a song out of the players after AVB was sacked. And if he can achieve it, Frank definitely should. It's basic effort and basic organisation....That's all.
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The word that caught my eye was "intent" b/c gauging by what I've seen thus far, & I believe TF's tenure has amounted to 31 matches, I have little idea of what he intends to do with this side.
Prior to his appointment, many were raving about his adaptability in working with a variety of players & implementing suitable tactics in making the whole greater than the sum of its parts.
You'd think that after training these players for 4.5 months & seeing them perform in 31 matches, you'd have some semblance of a game plan & your best XI. I don't see it & the matches no longer interest me. The vast majority have been drab & even appalling (Chelsea & Arsenal). I'm not including yesterday's result as I didn't witness it.
Our best matches were the ones in which we sat back & counter-attacked (PSG & Citeh). There is a time & place for that but I don't want to see that week in, week out. I don't consider that the THFC way.
Don't get me wrong, I care enough to hope for the best &, at the very least, to check the score, but my expectations are so low & with time being precious, I choose to spend it elsewhere.
If there were any glimmers of some sort of intent or purpose to what we are doing, I'd consider giving some time. I just don't see it. Players look lost & devoid of ideas particularly going forward.
Xavi Hernandez's name has come up. I would jump at the chance even at this stage of the competition. His sides want the ball & like to attack. They're dynamic sides & within a certain structure allow the players freedom to express themselves & show what they can do. He also likes working with younger players which we have plenty of. And we'd maybe start seeing more club training players coming through.
Xavi isn't proven in the Prem & there's no guarantee that he would, but I'd much rather watch his style of play as opposed to what is currently being served up.
For me, this all equates much more to the Spurs ethos than what Frank is producing.
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Maybe just a case of the dreaded vote of confidence, who knows. From the Athletic:
www.nytimes.com
Thomas Frank has been given the backing of the Tottenham Hotspur hierarchy following discussions at the top of the club.Spurs sunk to a painful 3-0 defeat at Nottingham Forest on Sunday, their sixth in the league this season. Frank said afterwards that the Tottenham job was not a “quick fix”, and that “if no-one gets the time, no-one can turn it around”.
The decision to stick with Frank is one of the first major tests of the new Tottenham Hotspur hierarchy, which effectively took over the running of the club when Daniel Levy was sacked as executive chairman in September. Vivienne Lewis has been a regular attender of Spurs games, along with her brother Charles Lewis and son-in-law Nick Beucher.
While there have been discussions at the club about Frank’s future, these have been regular meetings of the type that all clubs will have about their staffing and direction, rather than anything specifically reacting to events. And sources with knowledge of the situation, speaking on the condition of anonymity to protect relationships, indicated the clear position of the majority shareholding Lewis family is to stick with Frank and to give him the time that he needs.
Frank was the last managerial appointment of the Levy era, signing a three-year contract at Tottenham in June, and replacing Ange Postecoglou. He was tasked with rebuilding the team who finished 17th in the league last season, while also lifting the Europa League.
After a strong start to the season, Spurs’ league form is inconsistent. They sit in 11th place, with 22 points from 16 games, although Bournemouth could overtake them with a win against Manchester United on Monday. In the Champions League they sit just outside the top eight, with 11 points from their six games so far.
But some supporters have grown frustrated with underwhelming performances. Spurs have recorded less than 0.2 expected goals in three league games already this season. There have been issues between the players and the fans, with goalkeeper Guglielmo Vicario jeered by fans during the defeat to Fulham last month.
But there is also an awareness at the club that Frank is trying to rebuild the whole culture, and a recognition of the fact that the situation will take time to turn around. Frank even started his successful spell as Brentford head coach slowly.
Thomas Frank given backing of Tottenham owners following hierarchy discussions
The current position of the majority shareholding Lewis family is to stick with Frank and to give him the time that he needs.
www.nytimes.com Thomas Frank has been given the backing of the Tottenham Hotspur hierarchy following discussions at the top of the club.Spurs sunk to a painful 3-0 defeat at Nottingham Forest on Sunday, their sixth in the league this season. Frank said afterwards that the Tottenham job was not a “quick fix”, and that “if no-one gets the time, no-one can turn it around”.
The decision to stick with Frank is one of the first major tests of the new Tottenham Hotspur hierarchy, which effectively took over the running of the club when Daniel Levy was sacked as executive chairman in September. Vivienne Lewis has been a regular attender of Spurs games, along with her brother Charles Lewis and son-in-law Nick Beucher.
While there have been discussions at the club about Frank’s future, these have been regular meetings of the type that all clubs will have about their staffing and direction, rather than anything specifically reacting to events. And sources with knowledge of the situation, speaking on the condition of anonymity to protect relationships, indicated the clear position of the majority shareholding Lewis family is to stick with Frank and to give him the time that he needs.
Frank was the last managerial appointment of the Levy era, signing a three-year contract at Tottenham in June, and replacing Ange Postecoglou. He was tasked with rebuilding the team who finished 17th in the league last season, while also lifting the Europa League.
After a strong start to the season, Spurs’ league form is inconsistent. They sit in 11th place, with 22 points from 16 games, although Bournemouth could overtake them with a win against Manchester United on Monday. In the Champions League they sit just outside the top eight, with 11 points from their six games so far.
But some supporters have grown frustrated with underwhelming performances. Spurs have recorded less than 0.2 expected goals in three league games already this season. There have been issues between the players and the fans, with goalkeeper Guglielmo Vicario jeered by fans during the defeat to Fulham last month.
But there is also an awareness at the club that Frank is trying to rebuild the whole culture, and a recognition of the fact that the situation will take time to turn around. Frank even started his successful spell as Brentford head coach slowly.
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Who would take this job? Poch, Nuno, Mourinho, and Conte, all top managers (regardless of our well-earned contempt) and all fired while likely performing above what should have been expected. The reality is our talent is crap, but the club thinks it's world class. I don't think anyone can survive this job. And I do think Frank is over his head, but there's no guarantee we'll even get someone better at this point.
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Doesn't help that we are missing two of our most creative offensive players
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The way many of us view this is that THFC has to recommit to a clearly defined footballing identity. Our DNA has been referenced many times encompassing proactive, front foot football that's brave, intelligent & creative.
We need to ensure that this identity is owned by the club, not borrowed by individual managers.
This vision has to originate at board level & flow seamlessly through sporting directors, recruitment, coaching staff, & the academy.
We need to codify a 'Tottenham Way'.
One in which players are encouraged to express themselves within a structured system. Recruitment should prioritize a profile fit as much as talent where players are not only chosen for ability but also for playing in an expansive, high tempo style. The Academy must mirror the first team both in its tactical & philosophical approach so that youth players graduate already fluent in the system rather than having to adapt upon arrival.
In terms of managers & coaches, we need to select those that naturally align with this ID, not managers who's philosophies require wholesale reinvention every cycle. For instance, we've recently appointed managers such as Nuno, Mourinho, Conte, & I'll include Frank, who are directly polar opposites to the team ethos. With Ange, it was in the right direction but quite evident that the pendulum swung way too far to be effective in the Prem.
I understand that those named above were from the Levy era but I really hope that this new regime up in the luxury box understands this so that Tottenham can finally turn this historic flair into something of a sustainable, competitive advantage as opposed to just being a nostalgic ideal.
We need to ensure that this identity is owned by the club, not borrowed by individual managers.
This vision has to originate at board level & flow seamlessly through sporting directors, recruitment, coaching staff, & the academy.
We need to codify a 'Tottenham Way'.
One in which players are encouraged to express themselves within a structured system. Recruitment should prioritize a profile fit as much as talent where players are not only chosen for ability but also for playing in an expansive, high tempo style. The Academy must mirror the first team both in its tactical & philosophical approach so that youth players graduate already fluent in the system rather than having to adapt upon arrival.
In terms of managers & coaches, we need to select those that naturally align with this ID, not managers who's philosophies require wholesale reinvention every cycle. For instance, we've recently appointed managers such as Nuno, Mourinho, Conte, & I'll include Frank, who are directly polar opposites to the team ethos. With Ange, it was in the right direction but quite evident that the pendulum swung way too far to be effective in the Prem.
I understand that those named above were from the Levy era but I really hope that this new regime up in the luxury box understands this so that Tottenham can finally turn this historic flair into something of a sustainable, competitive advantage as opposed to just being a nostalgic ideal.
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So who is that Manager
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Sorry pal, and I'm not just being a prickly old cunt that's trying to piss on your chips, I genuinely appreciate your post, and I know where the sentiment comes from...
But our club ethos was what you described... Way back when Billy Nick was doing things the Tottenham way... Before my time and I got to see echoes of it with Gazza/Ginola/Mabs/Lineker as a kid...
That's been gone a long long time now...
All that's left is Money>everything...
That is now the Tottenham way...
And it ain't going to change any time soon...
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The problem we've had for a long time is that to play the kind of football we identify with the club AND to be consistently competitive at the top levels of the PL and Europe, you have to have better players than almost everybody you play.
You're going to have some clubs that catch lightning in a bottle like we did, or almost did, with Poch, but that is hard to sustain without spending huge amounts of money in smart ways.
But yes, we would be far more consistent and competitive, and fans would be way happier, if we had a strategy that was in line with the club's culture. I especially like the point about the academy, I've said for years that I've been more upset about the lack of players coming through from the academy than the lack of big-name transfers. But that, again, is probably down to money spent and spent wisely.
You're going to have some clubs that catch lightning in a bottle like we did, or almost did, with Poch, but that is hard to sustain without spending huge amounts of money in smart ways.
But yes, we would be far more consistent and competitive, and fans would be way happier, if we had a strategy that was in line with the club's culture. I especially like the point about the academy, I've said for years that I've been more upset about the lack of players coming through from the academy than the lack of big-name transfers. But that, again, is probably down to money spent and spent wisely.
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And this is the point really.
..We've never really been shy and spending over the odds on players..Sanchez, Solanke, Richarlison, ...but never great on wages. And that is and always was our achilles heel over the years because we had a chairman that refused point blank to break a wage structure. That HAS to change now.We were the side that played attractive football and occasionally won a cup.
The only time in the last 60 years we were mentioned in terms of a title was the lack of investment to the Poch Squad.
Another chairman would've made sure we got 2 good players in over Jan to help us chase down Leicester...but it didnt happen.
So as you said @J.spurs if we want to play good football and compete at the top we need to spend £200/250m every window for the next 3 windows just to look at CL possibilities again because we're so far off that at the moment, it's scary.
The question is...Do we give those type of funds to Frank ? Orrrrr do we get in touch with Poch,..get a contract signed for 3 years...give him the funds and hope he can deliver ?
I'm old school though...I want great football and an occasional FA Cup, not like a boring grind out results side by winning 50% of our games 0-1 and finish 3rd.
We've a very long road ahead..we need to realise that.
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I will say: We're obviously a very long way from competing for league titles but I don't think we're miles off having a team that can compete for domestic cups and play good football. But as we all know the reality of the game right now is that it doesn't seem sustainable for any club to challenge at the top of the table regularly without massive investment. There will always be short periods like us under Poch or maybe Villa under Emery but those can't last.And this is the point really.
We were the side that played attractive football and occasionally won a cup.
The only time in the last 60 years we were mentioned in terms of a title was the lack of investment to the Poch Squad.
Another chairman would've made sure we got 2 good players in over Jan to help us chase down Leicester...but it didnt happen.
So as you said @J.spurs if we want to play good football and compete at the top we need to spend £200/250m every window for the next 3 windows just to look at CL possibilities again because we're so far off that at the moment, it's scary.
The question is...Do we give those type of funds to Frank ? Orrrrr do we get in touch with Poch,..get a contract signed for 3 years...give him the funds and hope he can deliver ?
I'm old school though...I want great football and an occasional FA Cup, not like a boring grind out results side by winning 50% of our games 0-1 and finish 3rd.
We've a very long road ahead..we need to realise that.
The manager question is a tough one--Frank was so highly regarded in the game, but he hasn't showed any signs that he'll be successful here (though it's early). And I'm sure he hasn't convinced the board to trust him with a big transfer budget, especially in January.
But are there any managers out there now that would do that much better with the players we have? I'm not sure. As for Poch, he won't go anywhere until after the World Cup, so who knows.