ClemFandango
Lord High Chief of the Privvy
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How in the fuck are we two down ?
Havocc
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This won’t be the first time this season we suffer these type of results.
Our high line will always get punished this way.
Our high line will always get punished this way.
J.spurs
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Unbelievable. And yet predictable.
Dave
Having the craic!
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This is the worst I've seen Romero. He's all over the place.
J.spurs
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IMO that wasn’t so much the high line as the fact that Bissouma was so deep as Maddison pressed Joelinton. Once he beat Maddison 1v1 he had 20 yards of space to run into and he could just pick his runner.
The Cryptkeeper
The Aussie Yid
FFS Sonny, give Johnson a fucking chance to get the ball across.
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I will never understand how we lost this game.
Dave
Having the craic!
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The same reason we dropped points at Leicester. Fur coat and no knickers.
Havocc
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Really good performance from Spurs, let down by not having a striker and 2 lapses in concentration.
Werner is the only disappointment, ineffective since coming on.
Smash and grab at home by the Newcastle
Werner is the only disappointment, ineffective since coming on.
Smash and grab at home by the Newcastle
Strikegold
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Flawed system if you don't have the right players.
Blunt up front, vulnerable in defence.
Glenjamin
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You should never dominate a game like that and lose, although I don't think we really ever looked like scoring. Lots of play around the box but couldn't get through the Newcastle block.
We really need to get better at attacking the box. Everyone stands there and waits for these perfect passes, then when it's whipped everyone is stood still with no time to react. Odobert had 2 real obvious ones.
Dragusin held his own which was good to see and Bissouma bullied their midfield.
All fart no shit unfortunately.
We really need to get better at attacking the box. Everyone stands there and waits for these perfect passes, then when it's whipped everyone is stood still with no time to react. Odobert had 2 real obvious ones.
Dragusin held his own which was good to see and Bissouma bullied their midfield.
All fart no shit unfortunately.
DMackay
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Strikegold
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High line costs us more points. Embarrassing.
DMackay
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It’s ok if you have the players that can buy into it but we don’t
Ange likes it though….
J.spurs
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Two things:
1) We clearly have players that buy into the system. We played well and created more than enough chances to win that game comfortably.
2) You cannot press or have any kind of dominance of the ball without a high line at this level. It's less risky than allowing teams to run at your back four.
Overall, I'm baffled by people--mostly the Proper Football Men™ among the pundits--who act as if "Ange-ball" is some loony, radical approach to the game. Many, probably most, clubs around Europe and the PL press with a high line and use attacking FBs. There are things we do differently than most, and Ange does place a huge emphasis on pushing numbers forward, but not every bad result is proof that the system doesn't work. Unless that's what you want to see to begin with.
1) We clearly have players that buy into the system. We played well and created more than enough chances to win that game comfortably.
2) You cannot press or have any kind of dominance of the ball without a high line at this level. It's less risky than allowing teams to run at your back four.
Overall, I'm baffled by people--mostly the Proper Football Men™ among the pundits--who act as if "Ange-ball" is some loony, radical approach to the game. Many, probably most, clubs around Europe and the PL press with a high line and use attacking FBs. There are things we do differently than most, and Ange does place a huge emphasis on pushing numbers forward, but not every bad result is proof that the system doesn't work. Unless that's what you want to see to begin with.
DMackay
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Generally we did play well and deserved a result but Ange has to sort Romero out
Yes he puts in a few good tackles but he’s naive in his positional sense
You could argue that both goals conceded today were down to him
I want to see us win and do well playing attractive attacking football as should most of us
Continuing to give away goals like today is unacceptable anymore than persevering with Werner
Did nothing today when he came on so maybe try Moore?
Newcastle aren’t all that!
Strikegold
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What was the toon gameplan ?
Havocc
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Like most teams game plan against us, low block and counter.
Strikegold
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That's what I thought. Do they play a high line game against other teams ?
Howe seems to have the measure of us based on the last 3 games.
Style And Glory
On My High Trojan Horse
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With this press, you have to be all in & that includes the high line. You can't have a little bit of this, & little bit of that.
It's funny how those that seem to rage against the system the loudest are the one's that know the least about it.
Havocc
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At least we have 3 good performances under our built and one tricky away game out of the way. Let’s get a striker fit and see where we are after the NLD
Strikegold
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Game management. At 1-1 and not long to go, how about protecting the point ?
Strikegold
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4 points from 9 against poor opposition.
USspur
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Glad I didn’t see the game today. Heard it sucked
Havocc
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Our shot conversion is currently at 13.6 percent, which is 4th best in the league.
Not sure if this stat is any good
ManCity are at 13.7%, yet have scored 3 more goals and taken 23 more shots.
Not sure if this stat is any good
ManCity are at 13.7%, yet have scored 3 more goals and taken 23 more shots.
Style And Glory
On My High Trojan Horse
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Appreciate the stats but you're getting eerily close to ratings! Might trigger some.
DMackay
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Very frustrating as we silenced the crowd who weren’t happy with what they were seeing!
Then shot ourselves in the foot with embarrassing defending!!
Still pissed off!
Havocc
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I quite like Ali Golds ratings, quite honest and provide context. I usually agree with them
https://www.football.london/tottenh...ottenham-player-ratings-vs-newcastle-29848205
Here are our Tottenham player ratings:
Guglielmo Vicario
Couldn't do much about Barnes' pinpoint finish. Saved well from Murphy midway through the second half but was taken out of the move for the second goal by Murphy. 6
Pedro Porro
Struck the crossbar with a deflected cross and forced Pope into a flying save. Was a busy presence down the right. Stopped running to keep Isak for the winning goal though. 6
Cristian Romero
Headed the ball into the Newcastle net early on but was well offside. Defended well until the goal when he was caught out of position after pressing up the pitch. Caught flat-footed for the second goal as well. 5
Radu Dragusin
Battled away and made a brilliant tackle on Isak in the second half after the Newcastle striker looked like he'd got away. Hasn't got Van de Ven's pace but he brings his own abilities to the table. 7
Destiny Udogie
A really good first half on the whole but faded a little in the second period and slipped while trying to chase back with Murphy for the second goal. 6
Pape Matar Sarr
Forced Pope into a couple of first half saves and played well but a yellow card late in the half meant he came off at the break for Johnson. 7
Yves Bissouma
Another decent all-round game although he was hampered in the second half by a yellow card and was eventually taken off. 7
James Maddison
It was his initial shot that eventually led to Burn's own goal. Forced Pope into a superb flying save from a curling shot. 6
Wilson Odobert
Fired a first half effort over the crossbar and switched to the left in the second period where he looked more comfortable. Plenty of threat but needs to turn that into a final pass. Blazed a big chance over the crossbar from close range from Johnson's deflected cross. 5
Dejan Kulusevski
A false nine in the first half without getting into good positions himself, before moving into a deeper role in the midfield in the second. He worked hard and made plenty of good passes but the Spurs attack was just missing that clinical edge.. 6
Son Heung-min
Put in the yards and played three key passes, but struggled to get into goalscoring positions when he became the central striker in the second half. 6
Subs
Brennan Johnson
Really made an impact after coming on at the break. First his shot forced the own goal and then he looked dangerous every time he got down the right. Put so many good balls into the six-yard box but Spurs had no striker in there to convert them. Did create a good chance himself with some fast feet in the Newcastle box but lifted his shot over the bar. 7
Timo Werner
Came on down the left but didn't contribute much to Tottenham's play with a lack of composure in his passing. 4
Style And Glory
On My High Trojan Horse
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My belief is that you assess the risk based on the careful assessment of the current game situation. We were all over them with 70% possession & being far more threatening. We were all over them so why not try to capitalize on our momentum? The likelihood of a breakthrough was far greater than receiving a sucker punch.
By going for the win, we ended up losing one single point. But if we had won, we would have gained 2 more points as opposed to the status quo. I would go for the win under the same circumstances every time as it puts you further ahead.
Those late game winners last season were fantastic.
Did you object to those wins or did you celebrate them?
With your reasoning, we would not have won & with only a single point gained it would have left us further adrift of Top 4 & even out of Europa League.
God I despised the Conte & Mourinho eras for playing defensively & protecting a point for 90 mins.
Strikegold
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We had no striker and the writing was on the wall. I didn't suggest closing up shop, just protect what you have.
IF is a big if, we had a point and threw it away due to a ridiculous high line.